Jeff Holberton

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[Jeff Holberton @TheHolbie]

This thread is regarding president Trump's statements for execution of cop killers. Babbit, nor did any of the other participants on J6 kill a police officer. You implied that isn't true.

Does the fact that no officers were killed by participants of J6 help clarify the Presidents consistent statements and actions regarding cop killers for you?

If you know differently, please share your information.

[Jeff Holberton @TheHolbie]

@trace5838unhack, thank you for taking the time to respond to my comment. I'm going to take it for what it is. It's an implied confirmation to my question regarding your honesty.

Honesty remains elusive to you

You've lost your voice. You can't be heard over the sounds of your dishonesty.

[Jeff Holberton @TheHolbie]

Here is what I'm REALLY saying:

My comment is absent of support or disapproval of anyone involved.

It is an honest starting point for dialogue that I'm using to contrast @trace5838unhack's dishonest starting point.

Thank you for the question and I hope I was able to answer in a was that cleared up any confusion.

[Jeff Holberton @TheHolbie]

Here is the expressed dishonesty that is hiding behind 'implication' in inherently dishonest discourse:

'Capitol police were killed by J6 participants.'

Compare and contrast with factual statements:

'Unarmed Ashli Babbitt was shot and killed by Michael Byrd on January 6, 2021.'

Would you prefer that we recognize who these individuals are by including their titles and oaths?

'Unarmed veteran Air Force Senior Airman Ashli Babbitt, who took an oath to uphold and defend the Constitution, was shot and killed by Capitol Police Lieutenant Michael Byrd, who took an oath to uphold and defend the Constitution.'

Is honesty this elusive in everything you do or is it only when you engage in political discourse?

Do better.

[Jeff Holberton @TheHolbie]

That's an easy one. . . 'Why should we give a damn about going to outer space when there are people hungry on this planet?'

Because no one cares about people going hungry until money is spent on something they don't like. When spending bills in Congress are debated there isn't a huge delegation screaming for money for the hungry. They only mention the money could have gone to the hungry because it didn't go to what they wanted it to go.

[Jeff Holberton @TheHolbie]

@redhorns79929 @elonmusk Didn't. . . You left didn't off of shoulda coulda woulda & didn't . . . As in they 'didn't know what literally everyone on the planet already knows (from your perspective).'

[Jeff Holberton @TheHolbie]

That's the question that is currently being answered over time.

I believe that it's safe to say Boeing is currently taking its final exam regarding the understanding of the principles that Elon is speaking over.

Everyone is waiting to see if they pass the test.

Not understanding that principal cost over 350 people their lives, over $22 billion in direct costs and a heavily leveraged balance sheet. 2:1 debt to earning ratio the first year of their merger to a current 13.8:1 debt to earnings ratio.

If Elon had posted this earlier and Boeing was paying attention they would't have slid from first to second in market share, with Airbus becoming the number one market share commercial aviation company in the world.

[Jeff Holberton @TheHolbie]

'. . . everyone is literally aware of what you said. there is no person on the page that is not aware of what you said here.'

What about those involved in the Boeing & McDonnall Douglas merger? Do they know this?

Before the merger, Boeing was culturally an engineering focused (quality product) company. McDonnall Douglas was a financially focused (make money) company. They publicly kept the Boeing name (synonymous with aviation quality) and internally switched to the McDonnall Douglas culture.

The outcome?

Boeing doesn't make a superior product anymore because that's not their focus. . . The more they chase that dollar the more lives they take and the more money they bleed.

[Jeff Holberton @TheHolbie]

That's a very crowded space. . . So many 'investigators' are already focused on Trump that some areas of fraud have absolutely no one reporting on it. . . Until Nick.

Is it because his reporting is so much better than anyone else's that a REAL reporter needs to do a write-up so everyone finally takes it seriously.

Do you think he will overshadow the other Trump investigations:

Completely Closed / Resolved

Mueller Investigation: Report released March 2019 (investigation concluded)

Trump University Lawsuits: Finalized April 2018 (settled)

Trump Foundation Case: Final dissolution November 2019

First Impeachment: Acquitted February 5, 2020

Second Impeachment: Acquitted February 13, 2021

Trump Organization Tax Fraud Case: Sentenced January 13, 2023 (maximum fine imposed)

Classified Documents Case: Dismissed July 2024

Federal Election Interference Case: Dismissed November 2024

Georgia Election Interference Case: Dismissed November 2025

New York Hush Money Case: Sentenced January 2025 (unconditional discharge)

E. Jean Carroll $5 Million Sexual Abuse Case: Supreme Court appeal denied June 2026

Still Active / On Appeal

New York Civil Fraud Case: Began 2019 (appeal ongoing at NY Court of Appeals)

E. Jean Carroll $83 Million Defamation Case: Began 2024 (appeal ongoing)

[Jeff Holberton @TheHolbie]

Is this post a 'tease' to stir up interest and excitement for an upcoming report you are about to put out regarding the missing $6 T.

Congratulations (a little premature but I'm sure you already have it in the can) on scooping Nick with your soon to be released report fully documented with supporting evidence.

It sounds like you know what you're talking about. . . Please don't keep all this proof to yourself. Share it with the world so we can all see exactly what's going on as clearly as you do.

[Jeff Holberton @TheHolbie]

@gsalisb @LauraLoomer Unfortunately

[Jeff Holberton @TheHolbie]

Are you suggesting to add it a second time???

Like, show them your ID, put it in your pocket, and then pull it out and show them your ID AGAIN?

Since it is already required I would be against adding it again because it seems redundant and unnecessary.

I would also be against having to show your ID twice to vote. Seems redundant, don't you think?

In both cases, once is enough.

[Jeff Holberton @TheHolbie]

It is encouraging to hear that Utah maintains such a pristine voting record.
This is precisely why the SAVE Act should pass. A clean system is not a reason to forgo safeguards; it is the strongest argument for enacting them. Claiming we do not need the SAVE Act because Utah’s elections are currently secure is akin to arguing against installing a traffic signal at an intersection simply because no crashes have occurred—yet.
Traffic signals are installed proactively to prevent harm. In the same way, the SAVE Act will help ensure Utah—and our nation—avoids compromised elections, rather than responding only after they occur.

[Jeff Holberton @TheHolbie]

Two things I feel are being overlooked:

- The killing started long before this movie filmed or Elon's tweet. Here's a refresher of what that looks like:

Laken Riley
Jocelyn Nungaray
Rachel Morin
Da’Cara (Dacara) Thompson
Kayla Hamilton
Debrina Kawam (subway fire)
Iryna Zarutska (stabbed in the neck)

- If you're looking to blame someone, how about blaming the perpatraitors. You know. . . Blame the criminal for their actions.

[Jeff Holberton @TheHolbie]

Two reasons gas prices in America are high:

- The existing refineries in America were built for the type of oil imported which is different than what we have here. Our oil needs to be exported to foreign refineries that are designed for our type of oils distillation.

- Worldwide supply and demand: Iran's oil supply has been taken out of the worldwide oil market. The worldwide demand for oil has remained the same while the worldwide supply has been reduced due to the removal of Iranian oil.

This has always been taken into consideration from day one of Operation Epic Fury as our military did not target the oil infrastructure of Iran. This will keep the 'price pain' around the world brief. When the conflict started the prices went vertical. Once the conflict is over, the switches can be flipped back on (we didn't damage Iranian oil infrastructure so it's still ready to go) to bring Iranian oil back into the market and when that happens, the price will quickly drop to previous levels.

[Jeff Holberton @TheHolbie]

". . . would have been reasonable if you could just admit YOU mfkers were brutal. . ."

This is beyond gymnastics.

So I understand your position, it is a requirement that I LIE and confess to horrible transgressions that I had nothing to do with in order to speak against horrible transgressions being done by one upon another.

Once I make this false confession, it would then be appropriate for you or another to commit horrible transgressions upon me because I'm a horrible transgressor myself (my false confession being your evidence).

Those weren't just mental gymnastics being performed in your comment, it is genocide attempting to mask itself as justified retribution.

Lets hypothetically go the way you suggest and savagery consumes the land much to your approval & satisfaction. Time time has passed and the transgressors, all of them, including the ones you have coerced into confessing, and the ones that didn't confess but you deemed them so. They are gone. The last one has been dealt with.

Now what? The brutality that has overtaken the land becomes peaceful, productive, & prosperous? Or does it find another transgressor, real or imagined, and go after them?

The brutality will consume itself.

That is what you are advocating.

[Jeff Holberton @TheHolbie]

Great plan! Tax the rich. . . what problem have you solved by doing that? Homelessness? The more money California spends on that problem the worse the problem gets. Healthcare & pharmaceuticals? Decades worth of documented fraud. Rather than talk over and scream when the opposing view speaks, why not address the issue with your great tax plan. Your opponent should have broadened her statement:

'I would rather Elon Musk have the money rather than Elizabeth Warren'

the following is an improvement on that:
I would rather ANY ONE havd the money rather than Elizabeth Warren.

[Jeff Holberton @TheHolbie]

@vaelor0 Elon Musk is BUILDING a net worth of a trillion dollars. He does not GET to be a trilliionire.

If he won a trillion dollar lottery then he would GET to be a trillionaire. His trillion isn't coming that way.

[Jeff Holberton @TheHolbie]

"Apartheid was not just a set of laws. It was a systematic dismantling. . ."

The mental gymnastics you had to go through to separate the most powerful tool (laws) for implementing apartheid, from apartheid, in order to support the same tool (laws) because of the role they play in implementing Apartheid 2.0 but expecting a different outcome than the original Apartheid demonstrates a mental dexterity that is beyond that of most humans.

I've heard Insanity being defined as:

"Doing the same thing over and over again expecting a different outcome."

[Jeff Holberton @TheHolbie]

Replace 'Black' in BEE with 'South African' — call it SAEE (South African Economic Empowerment).

Then redesign the entire policy around that goal: helping all disadvantaged South Africans based on need, not race.

Building a Frankenstein Apartheid from the corpse of Apartheid — with the same logic of skin-color preferences, just flipped — won't fix the damage done by the original monster. It just creates a worse sequel.

We know how this movie ends. Time for a better script.