Jonathan Crabtree

PhD @trinity_bristol

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@bryandcollier Wow I love the room setup! Is this at Orchard Tupelo?

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@TaylorLoy But say more about your solution: ‘Pentecostal or truly sacramental.’ I’m intrigued by ‘Pentecostal’ more than sacramental bc I agree.

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@TaylorLoy Unfortunately it’s a result of our Wesleyan Methodist heritage. JW didn’t have much of a theology of baptism. Just assented to his dad’s views and then emphasized the new birth. Different story for LS tho.

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@RevBruceCase @chad_bowen @feljr You and me both. The leadership is very kind. I hope to preach & serve the Eucharist before we leave.

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@RevBruceCase @chad_bowen @feljr Oh several times. Went to a Charles Wesley advent hymns service recently.

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@chad_bowen @RevBruceCase @feljr I agree! If not all of them were baptised. I don't deny it but I don't think baptism is the sole sacrament that constitutes the church. I think it's the Eucharist.

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@RevBruceCase @feljr @chad_bowen I agree. Wesley (like others in the revival) emphasised baptism of the HS. He didn't write much on baptism - generally. If you find the source for that quote, pls share!

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@feljr @chad_bowen CONSTANT. Daily. Yes. My thesis.

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@RevBruceCase @chad_bowen If you're implying missional, then my Dmin thesis affirms that notion, which I call ‘sacramentally missional.’

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@feljr @chad_bowen Establishment of covenanting baptised believers. (both regenerate and run-regenerate)

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@feljr @chad_bowen Finally, some relief of true Wesleyn pragmaticism. (not my definition)

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@chad_bowen Yes, that's it.

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@chad_bowen Right, my point being w/o sacraments, there is no constitution of Church. But with the sacraments, worship by Word & Table, and liturgy therein, all is present to const. Church

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@chad_bowen there is no gathered Church, only the remnant established Church. Only the form of Church without the function. Sacraments constitute Church.

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@chad_bowen And that's where I disagree. Hot take, I know. The historic definition of what constitutes Church: fellowship of believers worships God, Word is proclaimed, sacraments duly administered. How often do Congregations dismiss the last feature? I'd say w/o the Lords Supper

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@chad_bowen Interesting. Aren't these features represented liturgically in the sacraments?

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@chad_bowen I mean no offense. Your comment positively stimulated my mind. All love to you, mate.

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@chad_bowen I agree and you seem to distinguish participation and incorporation from the function of the Eucharist & Baptism. I.e. Participation & incorporation. Am I miss-reading?