@himam_selassie@SNIPPS8@MasterMaliq โDo you know the background of Ibn Abbas?, Abu hurraira 4years etcโ this came from somewhere or was that malaika as well khalas letโs end this discussion
@himam_selassie@SNIPPS8@MasterMaliq Funny thing is you rely on hadeeth to disprove Hadeeth. Cannot even see your own contradictions. Pick a side no one foot in one foot out. We are no impressed by cherry picking knowledge or fang language. I need proofs my friend. Anyways good talk this will be my last message
@himam_selassie@SNIPPS8@MasterMaliq You keep giving me your unqualified opinion. I need to see your background or else why would someone of sound reasoning follow random person 1500years nearly after the Quran complete. All you do is respond with your own opinion which no one serious will ever take Alhamdullilah
@himam_selassie@SNIPPS8@MasterMaliq Quran only people are very strange one foot in one foot out. Without Hadith you will have so many issues your just gonna be a wannabe scholar make up your own understanding. We follow the blessed people. The people of Quran those alive when it was being revealed who lived it
@himam_selassie@SNIPPS8@MasterMaliq No problem you have your own 21st century modern understanding. We stick to the safe option Alhamdullilah upon proof and logic. We will see on judgement day. Good discussion may Allah help us
@himam_selassie@SNIPPS8@MasterMaliq We are told to convey not convince. If you are Quran only then you are like Christianโs and Jews end of story. No structure just desires opinions liberal watered down Islam
@himam_selassie@SNIPPS8@MasterMaliq Quran is above the Hadith. Read the verses In the Quran which state regarding prophets โWe gave the book and Al Hikmahโ. My point above all is Islam is decentralised. Because it is preserved as well as the correct understanding. Unlike Christianity and Judaism full of opinions
Quran and Hadith came to use via isnad chain of narrations. If you donโt trust narrators then how can you trust Quran and Hadith. You cant say unqualified people today who never met the prophet and companions know better than the people who were alive living the Quran while revealed
@himam_selassie@SNIPPS8@MasterMaliq Your missing my point but itโs ok. Nobody saying Hadith is perfect which is why there is a systems of classification. Also companions and their students made mistakes they are bani Adam not infallible. But you cannot pick and choose according to a new 21st century interpretation.
@SNIPPS8@himam_selassie@MasterMaliq No problem my humble request is to reflect on the system of how Quran and Hadith came to us. 1400years of knowledge passed down generation to generation. You place doubt in Hadith you have no choice but to doubt Quran which leads to eventual apostasy. Hope you understand
@himam_selassie@SNIPPS8@MasterMaliq And how do you know that Quran was compiled by Muhammad and protected by angels ๐ according to who because you was not alive then? Come on brother if you reject Hadith you have apply same logic to Quran. It came from the same vehicle..
@himam_selassie@SNIPPS8@MasterMaliq So whatever youโre saying holds no weight itโs just a lot of speech with no backing. As stated in the Quran โbring forth your proof of you are truthfulโ. Without isnad and Hadith system you have blind faith and conjecture. Quran came down to us through the same system of Hadith
@SNIPPS8@himam_selassie@MasterMaliq Read again. The gap between me you and the Quran is 1400 years. The people inbetween is the link and isnad. The chain. Now if the people in that chain is wrong you reject Islam. Or you say I accept the Quran and Hadith but reject the preservers. The people of Quran. Ridiculous
@himam_selassie@SNIPPS8@MasterMaliq Without Hadeeth your Islam is according to you. Read Quran 3:7 even Quran says it has foundational clear and the other which is subject to interpretation and people will interpret wrong.
@himam_selassie@SNIPPS8@MasterMaliq Reject Hadith have to rejected quran* came to us in the same vehicle and from same people. Companions of prophet. Their students and their students etc. should I follow you or the people who were alive at the time of Quran? The answer is clear
โWho are youโ also applies to you. Donโt have double standards or contradict. Quran only means Islam can be interpreted in million ways and nobody can correct each other. Which is what happened to Christianity and Judaism and why their religion was not preserved. Quran and Hadith was preserved by people human beings in an isnad chain. So if you reject Quran you have to rejected Hadith.
@SNIPPS8@himam_selassie@MasterMaliq We are not Christianโs or Jews. We need a prophet to guide us on understanding the Quran. Or else what is the point everyone will interpret Quran according to their interpretations. Which is why Quran it says Obey Allah and his messenger. โIf you love Allah follow the messengerโ
We follow Islam
Because we donโt blind follow and because the evidences of the Quran and Hadith. After establishing that Quran and Hadith cannot be a product of human being in context then I gladly blind follow the rest. E.g I blindly follow praying 5 times a day and go to umrah because I have reason to believe Islam is true. Hope that makes sense