The Reformed Reformist

Presbyterain (PCA)
I ascribe to the Wesminter Confession

[The Reformed Reformist @TheRefReformist]

@charlessha94517 @d0micci @DivinelyDesined I'm going to say this as well. This argument isn't helpful to either of us... so I will halt it. Thank you for your time and discussing this with me.

[The Reformed Reformist @TheRefReformist]

@charlessha94517 @d0micci @DivinelyDesined The claims made by athiests on things like the creation of the world don't have scientific evidence, but they say they would believe in God if we could prove God exists with scientific evidence.

[The Reformed Reformist @TheRefReformist]

@charlessha94517 @d0micci @DivinelyDesined His alleged journey violates known physics.
Presents have identifiable human sources.
Santa's image originated in folklore and literature.
Historical Saint Nicholas is not the magical Santa.

You could argue that isn't truly enough to disprove. I believe it is enough.

[The Reformed Reformist @TheRefReformist]

@charlessha94517 @d0micci @DivinelyDesined From what I understand, it is a worldview. But yeah that's fair.

[The Reformed Reformist @TheRefReformist]

@charlessha94517 @d0micci @DivinelyDesined Your worldview, your beliefs about reality and whatnot, has no evidence to back it, and you try and pull the evidence card on us. Athiests as a group do this.

[The Reformed Reformist @TheRefReformist]

@charlessha94517 @d0micci @DivinelyDesined I can prove Santa does not exist. God and Santa are not equivalent.

[The Reformed Reformist @TheRefReformist]

@charlessha94517 @d0micci @DivinelyDesined I'm assuming your an athiest. Every athiest I've ever heard has said they would need verifiable scientific evidence to believe in God. I don't know if you take that position, it was an assumption. I'm sorry.

[The Reformed Reformist @TheRefReformist]

@charlessha94517 @d0micci @DivinelyDesined So you have no belief on God whatsoever? You have no opinion on the topic of God.

[The Reformed Reformist @TheRefReformist]

@charlessha94517 @d0micci @DivinelyDesined That is not a lack of belief. That is a belief. You believe you need scientific evidence to prove the existence of God.

[The Reformed Reformist @TheRefReformist]

@charlessha94517 @d0micci @DivinelyDesined I can conclusively prove Santa does not exist based on evidence. Your worldview however has no evidence. That is the difference.

[The Reformed Reformist @TheRefReformist]

@charlessha94517 @d0micci @DivinelyDesined I said lack of belief. Which is having no belief whatsoever, is impossible. I'm trying to assert that athiests believe in something, making it a religion.

[The Reformed Reformist @TheRefReformist]

@charlessha94517 @d0micci @DivinelyDesined Lack of belief or not believing in? There is a difference.

[The Reformed Reformist @TheRefReformist]

@charlessha94517 @d0micci @DivinelyDesined That's not lack of belief, that's not believing in. I'm saying you will always believe in something. In the example you're using, you believe Santa Claus is not real.

[The Reformed Reformist @TheRefReformist]

@d0micci @DivinelyDesined If you somehow have no belief, then nothing justifies your worldview.

[The Reformed Reformist @TheRefReformist]

@tribez1976 @DivinelyDesined What is your evidence? I have never heard an athiest give me reasonable evidence for their beliefs. It's all based off of theories that are less logical than a belief in a creator.

[The Reformed Reformist @TheRefReformist]

@d0micci @DivinelyDesined Yes it is. There is no such thing as "lack of belief." Y'all believe in something. Maybe not a god but something.

[The Reformed Reformist @TheRefReformist]

@Kalbboi @Aly_Cernika @MalfoidStan @sticked_guy @paranoid_c0re But sorry, I know this conversation isn't really gonna get anywhere. I just wanted to hear some opinions. So thank you.

[The Reformed Reformist @TheRefReformist]

@Kalbboi @Aly_Cernika @MalfoidStan @sticked_guy @paranoid_c0re I agree that objective morality should be consistent regardless of the time period. I think the distinction is whether God was endorsing slavery as morally good or regulating an existing practice in a fallen world.

[The Reformed Reformist @TheRefReformist]

@Kalbboi @Aly_Cernika @MalfoidStan @sticked_guy @paranoid_c0re I wouldn't argue that Christians today should support debt bondage. My point is that historical context matters when interpreting what Scripture regulated versus what it prescribes as an ideal.

[The Reformed Reformist @TheRefReformist]

@Kalbboi @Aly_Cernika @MalfoidStan @sticked_guy @paranoid_c0re Biblical slavery was different from modern race-based slavery, often involving debt servitude. That doesn't make it harmless, but historical context matters when interpreting Scripture.