The Splonker

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[The Splonker @TheSplonker]

@onyxtheengima @ThinkingAtheist Obviously.

Meaning the opposite is your preference.

Nonetheless, that's just a preference. Right?

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@beyond_capital That's correct. "Left" and "Right" are contextual terms. The U.S. leans right if you look through a global lens. So, within the U.S., the terms "Right" and "Left" are applied through a paradigm that already leans right, so many left wingers are technically right wingers

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@onyxtheengima @ThinkingAtheist So that's just a preference, right?

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@onyxtheengima @ThinkingAtheist Why is it good to have a functioning society?

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@onyxtheengima @ThinkingAtheist What if hypothetically, a community empathize with pedophiles and deems them to be good for the community. You would have no reason to intervene in such a society if you had the power and ability to do so, right?

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@yassSinistre @ThinkingAtheist Sounds like you would say this is all true independent of the mind, correct?

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@yassSinistre @ThinkingAtheist Some people enjoy pain, certain pain is good, like working out. Trauma can lead to growth. When a child discovers he will one day die, it can be traumatic but also good for personal growth. It up the interpreter. Suffering in general is subjective as well.

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@yassSinistre @ThinkingAtheist Yeah but if our society is propagandized and is convinced that slavery should return that would still be immoral to you.

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@yassSinistre @ThinkingAtheist Pain, trauma, coercion and developmental harm may not be experienced as such and could be interpreted as growth or being necessary for a greater good.

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@yassSinistre @ThinkingAtheist The only thing that is objective about well being is that it exists.

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@yassSinistre @ThinkingAtheist No, it's subjective.

well-being is ultimately determined by how you experience and perceive your conditions.

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@yassSinistre @ThinkingAtheist If morality is intersubjective, if a society hypothetically says and legitimately feels that these factors are less important in terms of well being, which is subjective, than the desired outcome, why is that still immoral?

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@yassSinistre @ThinkingAtheist Well-being is subjective. So you can empirically determine if the practice serves the goal but it's up to them whether their well-being has improved or not. If it did, you would say it is a moral practice, correct?

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@yassSinistre @ThinkingAtheist I haven't even modified it.

You said the purpose of morality is to maximize well being and minimize suffering.

If the tribe says these practices achieve both of these for them, they are moral, correct?

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@yassSinistre @ThinkingAtheist So the core purpose is not objective. So if they are achieving THEIR core purpose, they are moral, correct?

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@yassSinistre @ThinkingAtheist When we say something is moral we it's not common that it is a reference to economic growth.
If Papa new guinea says these traditions are meant to increase well being and minimize suffering and it's what they believe, it is moral, correct?

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@yassSinistre @ThinkingAtheist So, morality is subjective to the universe, intersubjective to humans but the core purpose of morality is objective?

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@yassSinistre @ThinkingAtheist Meaning the papua new guinea tribe is acting morally? As an outsider looking in, you would say it isn't your preference but they societally are intersubjectivaly acting morally, so it must be good.

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@yassSinistre @ThinkingAtheist Well being and suffering are subjective. I think you have to bite the bullet on this to be consistent and say the tribe is acting morally if no one feels like they are suffering.

Truth and morality are transcendental properties. They may be real though we can't point to them.

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@yassSinistre @ThinkingAtheist I admit that I'm flawed but I believe there are moral facts and I seek those truths, I could be wrong.

In your view, the tribe must be acting morally if they all believe these actions are for their well-being and that no one believes they are suffering.