And yet there are distinct nations in the eternal state…
And the city has no need of the sun orof the moon to shine on it, for the gloryof God has illumined it, and its lamp isthe Lamb.
And the nations will walk by its light, and the kings of the earth will bringtheir glory into it.
And its gates will never be closed by day, for there will be no night there;
and they will bring the glory and the honor of the nations into it.
- Revelation 21:23-26
As noted in John MacArthur’s Biblical Doctrine:
“No temple exists in the New Jerusalem. Both God and Jesus function as its temple (21:22). Since the glory of God illumines the city, no need exists for the light of the sun or moon to shine on it (21:23). The nations and kings of the earth will be drawn to the city because of its light and “will bring their glory into it” (21:24, 26). The presence of nations and world leaders shows that literal nations exist on the new earth and that activity takes place outside the New Jerusalem. While there is one people of God in regard to salvation, the presence of nations reveals ethnic and national diversity on the new earth. The best cultural contributions of these nations are brought to the New Jerusalem.”
As noted in John MacArthur’s Biblical Doctrine:
“No temple exists in the New Jerusalem. Both God and Jesus function as its temple (21:22). Since the glory of God illumines the city, no need exists for the light of the sun or moon to shine on it (21:23). The nations and kings of the earth will be drawn to the city because of its light and “will bring their glory into it” (21:24, 26). The presence of nations and world leaders shows that literal nations exist on the new earth and that activity takes place outside the New Jerusalem. While there is one people of God in regard to salvation, the presence of nations reveals ethnic and national diversity on the new earth. The best cultural contributions of these nations are brought to the New Jerusalem.”
It’s interesting that the eternal state won’t be one large conglomeration of redeemed-but-nationless peoples. Quite to the contrary, God maintains national distinctiveness, and civil government, apparently for the purposes of maintaining and maximizing the unique cultural contribution of each distinct nation.
And the city has no need of the sun orof the moon to shine on it, for the gloryof God has illumined it, and its lamp isthe Lamb.
And the nations will walk by its light, and the kings of the earth will bringtheir glory into it.
And its gates will never be closed by day, for there will be no night there;
and they will bring the glory and the honor of the nations into it.
Revelation 21:23-26
The issue isn’t so much about bureaucratic incompetency, etc., it’s that the claims of ICE could easily be disproven if they are untrue. There is simply no instance in which an application is submitted, and an application number not received. So if they say he has no pending applications, that can be easily disproven if it’s not true.
@TomBuck Fair enough, though that is the common accusation.
So would your position be that one could hold these views and not be a racist or a white supremacist?
Could one hold and publicly advocate for these views, and be a member in good standing at your church?
Serious questions.
@TomBuck you realize that this is pretty much the exact position of every single elected official in the first few years of our country, from the POTUS, to the House, to the Senate? This is the view codified into law in the 1790 Naturalization Act. And again in 1795 when things were tightened up even further.
“Be it enacted by the Senate and House of Representatives of the United States of America in Congress assembled, That any alien, being a free white person, who shall have resided within the limits and under the jurisdiction of the United States for the term of two years, may be admitted to become a citizen thereof..."
There is zero dissension to this in the records… Not even amongst the clergy in government. Not in the papers or churches across the United States. This was THE view.
Would you be wiling to say that literally all the Founding Fathers and early American politicians and pretty much every citizen and even clergy were all white supremacists and Nazis?
I post this exchange with @dalepartridge because I think it illustrates the divide on immigration.
He supports legal immigration of whites to U.S. from other white nations but doesn't support legal immigration of Africans and Mexicans to U.S.
Is this the CN position?
It really wasn’t that long ago that you could pump your gas, and then go inside and pay for it.
Pre-pay wasn’t the result of a virtually cashless society (since we weren’t there yet), but rather of the loss of a “high-trust society.”
@PerfInjust You didn’t need to delete. Dumb stuff should be exposed. What you said is true, and as one in that camp I can testify that he is one of the worst.
We all seem to understand that a card-carrying Presbyterian, who plans on having a bunch of kids, probably wouldn’t do well trying to be a member in a Baptist dispensational church.
And yet, so many anti Christian Nationalists act shocked that some of us believe that merely being a Christian doesn’t mean we would all make good co-citizens of the same republic.
We can’t even agree upon how to rightly divide the inerrant Word of God! Yet we’re all supposed to be on the same page politically?
If our unity in Christ can’t even trump our denominationalism such that Baptists and Presbyterians share the same local church (and let’s be honest here - in practice it really does not), then let’s not pretend that our unity in Christ is going to unite us politically.
So enough with the “I’ve got more in common with my Christian brother in India than my unbelieving neighbor next door.” You can’t even be members of the same church with your brother in the same town!
@PastorPants Truth be told, I have significant difficulty believing the ICE report. Definitely possible but just seems very unlikely..
I’m actually really surprised to see how many Christians are just taking it as gospel fact now, but I guess everyone is a bit jaded these days..
I believe Scripture is clear that we are to be both just and merciful in our interpersonal relationships.
I believe Scripture is clear that when it comes to the application of law, the law is to be applied without mercy, and without any partiality, whatsoever.
I believe Scripture makes a distinction between intentional and unintentional violations of the law, without absolving the guilt or consequent punishment of either type of violation.
I want a strict and impartial application of righteous law, including immigration law, regardless of whether the person is a Christian or not.
I believe Paul the Apostle exemplified this attitude, even at the highest personal costs
“If, then, I am a wrongdoer and have committed anything worthy of death, I do not refuse to die; but if none of those things is true of which these menaccuse me, no one can hand me over to them. I appeal to Caesar.”
— Acts 25:11
What immigration law should look like exactly is a related, but wholly different matter.