You are clinging to a tiny, cropped table of 12 people out of 136 because you know your argument collapses on larger datasets.
A sample size of 136 is absolute statistical white noise. When you look at the larger FamilyTreeDNA project data you posted earlier, which has 653 total samples, that frequency drops straight to 3.8%. Real academic studies with large, unmixed cohorts show it's even lower (1โ4%). You are literally data-mining the smallest possible sample to cope.
You are clinging to a tiny, cropped table of 12 people out of 136 because you know your argument collapses on larger datasets.
A sample size of 136 is absolute statistical white noise. When you look at the larger FamilyTreeDNA project data you posted earlier, which has 653 total samples, that frequency drops straight to 3.8%. Real academic studies with large, unmixed cohorts show it's even lower (1โ4%). You are literally data-mining the smallest possible sample to cope.
Your own screenshot shows 4 Somalis vs 1 Saudi on that branch.
The lineage is overwhelmingly East African Cushitic. It means an African lineage crossed into Arabia via historical trade routes 800 years ago, not the other way around. Stop playing yourself by posting data you don't know how to read.
You are showing a table of 12 people out of 136 testing positive for a generic marker. 12 people! That is statistical white noise. When real population geneticists do peer-reviewed studies on large, unmixed regional Somali cohorts, the average consistently falls between 1% and 4%. Trying to use 12 crowd-sourced samples to rewrite the entire ethnic history of the Horn of Africa is pure delusion. And notice how T-L208 sits at 11.8% in your own chart? As I told you before, the specific Somali branch of T is T-Y45591. Its mutation timeline dates back up to 5,000+ years ago, meaning it settled in East Africa during the prehistoric era, millennia before Arabs or Islam existed.
You have zero evidence of medieval Arab mixing. Every single chart you posted shows ~77% pure indigenous E-V32, with the rest being prehistoric Cushitic markers. Give it up.
You are so desperate that you are screenshotting raw Google AI summaries without actually looking at the peer-reviewed literature. If you actually look at the academic data regarding Horn of Africa pastoralists (like the landmark Tishkoff et al. or Gallego Romero studies), the -13915*G variant is not the primary native marker for Somalis.
The primary, indigenous lactase persistence variant that evolved independently within East African Cushitic populations is -13907*G. The fact that a small minority (15%) might hit for -13915*G doesn't mean Somalis are Arabโit is a textbook case of convergent evolution among camel-herding pastoralists who shared similar selective pressures for milk-drinking over thousands of years. Even if you want to attribute that 15% purely to historical contact, having a 15% trace variant means 85% of Somalis do not have it. A trace signal does not make an entire ethnicity Arab.
@ArabHorner@Barkhadle25 Furthermore, haplogroups completely disprove your recent Arab admixture theory. The overwhelming paternal lineage of Somalis is E-V32, an indigenous Northeast African haplogroup. If Somalis were heavily mixed with modern Arabs, our dominant lineage would be J1-P58,
@ArabHorner@Barkhadle25 โฆโฆof 141 samples to claim 11%, while ignoring the larger dataset showing it drop straight down to 3.8%. You don't even look at the numbers you are posting.
@ArabHorner@Barkhadle25 Thank you for posting the FTDNA/YFull database chart. You literally proved my exact point for me. In that much larger and more accurate dataset, the actual Arab-related branch (J-CTS5368) sits at exactly 3.8%. Where is your 11% now? You are cherry-picking one tiny, skewed batchโฆ
@ArabHorner@Barkhadle25 Furthermore, a sample size of 141 people is tiny, skewed sample size from a crowd-sourced commercial website (like YFull or FTDNA), where people who suspect foreign ancestry specifically buy expensive tests to check it. Even with that bias, it doesn't show an 'Arab' signal
@ArabHorner@Barkhadle25 You played yourself with that sunburst chart. It says 'J', not 'J1-P58'. Youโre looking at a generalized macro-haplogroup cluster. Haplogroup J splits into J1 and J2. J2 is heavily associated with Mediterranean, European, and Anatolian populations not Arabian Peninsula expansions
@MasthoFadaOM@ArabHorner@Barkhadle25 It makes perfect sense! J-P58 originated in the Near East thousands of years ago, but it spread heavily throughout the Mediterranean and West Asia. Because the Ottoman Empire ruled over North Africa, the Middle East, and Turkey for centuries, populations mixed constantly.
@ArabHorner@Barkhadle25 That means this lineage split off and integrated into the local Cushitic population during the Bronze Iron Age Transition, thousands of years before the Islamic expansions or the Middle Ages. You are trying to use prehistoric, ancient migrations that happened before 'Arabs' even
@ArabHorner@Barkhadle25 years ago. If we were mixed with Middle Ages Arabs, we would carry their exact lactase-persistence gene. We donโt. Our West Eurasian DNA is ancient, distinct, and isolated.
@ArabHorner@Barkhadle25 doesn't magically erase the rest of his genome.
Look at Autosomal DNA, which tracks 100% of a personโs inherited genes. Modern peer-reviewed genomics proves that Somalis lack the specific Arabian milk-digestion gene variant (the -13915*G allele) that modern Arabs developed 4,000