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@DispyGrace@ChristandGuitar No, it doesn't mean seven literal times. The number seven is symbolic of God's sovereign control and plan as he rules the nations. The point is not to tell us seven distinct future events. It's showing how God is sovereign over this world as he pours out judgements.
@_jonbowlin@ChristandGuitar Thinking the visions of Jewish Apocalyptic are to be taken literally wherever possible is a complete disregard for its literary genre. These people have zero clue what the book is about. They are just repeating absurd interpretations they've been taught to force upon the text.
@DispyGrace@ChristandGuitar Revelation is a series of highly symbolic, parallel vision about Christ reigning from his ascension until his return. What's clear is that a sequential timeline and hyper literal reading of it totally misses the point. The Futurist reading of the book is hopelessly flawed.
@ProvisionistP@ChristandGuitar Translation, "If you don't believe in the Dispensationalisms two distinct people's of God you must be anti-Semitic." The reality is that thinking God divides people by race is inherently racist, but they often play the race card falsely accusing those who reject their view.
@Maranatha7774 You have turned this verse on it's head. You can't trust God and rest in him. You endlessly search to know the future, to know the time is at hand on treadmill that robs you of a life resting in and trusting in God. The divination you try to justify with this verse is cancer.
@Maranatha7774 Not signs for divination, but "signs to mark sacred times, and days and years." Day 4 sits at the middle of Genesis' chiastic structure stressing the main point about Sabbath; humans entering into God's rest and trusting him which is focus of many sacred days on Jewish calendar.
@MersacciBruni@1984_nate God changing his mind (Ex. 23:6-7) in no way means he did not always know he would do so or that it would not be part of his overall plan. Free agency is only a problem when God is limited by the box Calvinim has him in where omnipotence is the only means of enforcing his will.
@passagenavigate@_jonbowlin So, basically another case of the Calvinist reading their presuppositions into a passage to support the doctrine. To do this they must ignore the corporate language in the passage and the main point that it is God's power that raises us to new life in Christ.
@Apostle_David There is no pause in the clock. You've done the same thing as Dispensationalism inserting a 2000+ year gap. Only difference is you do it after at the midway point of the final week and correctly understand Christ is the one who ends sacrificea with his own blood.
@Apostle_David The Futurist view of Revelation is born out of complete ignorance of its Jewish Apocalyptic literary style and the parallel nature of its visions. None of John's original readers would have read it this way. The visions cover the entirety of Christ's reign until his return.
@DrShayPhD God is omniscient and omnipresence. The idea that the Triune God learned something knew at some point in time is to think of God in human terms. God has always known everything at every moment in all of eternity past, present, and future.
@SuitSheep@_jonbowlin You seem to think you need a modified view of omniscience and omnipresence (open theism) to allow a world where genuine random actions and free agency occur. You don't! Reformed claim classic theism favors determinism, but don't understand it actually harms their view.
@SuitSheep@_jonbowlin You can reject this view for a lesser definition of omnipresence and omniscience, but it's not the classical view. Nor does the fact all knowledge of free choices being eternally present to God mean they are not free choices; just the opposite, it supports genuine free agency.
@LeeFoo9 Lutheran makes no such claim. In fact, they historically have rejected the right of any church to make such claims. The Church is the congregation of saints, in which the Gospel is rightly taught and the Sacraments are rightly administered.
@1984_nate Not true... inevitably they have a faith community where they learned these doctrines and arguments. And it's more sad than pathetic because changing their beliefs will inventively mean being pushed out of that community. That's the real barrier to winning the argument.
@SuitSheep@_jonbowlin So you reject the classical theistic view of God? You believe he is not omniscient and omnipresent? That's all I really said in my statement. What kind of god does not know some things or must wait for time to pass to find out?
@_jonbowlin@SuitSheep God doesn't know he "will do" anything... He knows he's already done everything at every moment in time and how it will interact with the free choices his creatures make at those moments. A god who must execute a predetermined script to ensure all goes as planned is not God.