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@RiotPhroxzon For context; in 14.8 elise was 2.5% pickrate without any changes to her kit... its 1.6% now which is a historic low, players are just realizing how not-worth playing this champ is after last year's support skewed nerfs gutted her W scaling and base damage she needs to jg

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@RiotPhroxzon Yo, can we have some of the support skewed nerfs from elise ported into jungle?

Champion lost 40% of its playerbase in jungle cause clears are miserable and now we're giving 2 junglers + the entire ADC roster more early MR.. support elise is dead (good) can we revive jg pls?

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@RiotPhroxzon Good patch but also buff the AP junglers too. Elise jg lost over 30% of her players in just 5 patches, nerfing sky/sylas/naafiri won't bring them back it'll just be diana/ekko for another 2 years, you have to also improve the more fringed champions too.

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@agr0ing @AryasDemise Pre-rework skarner didn't have 3 tails.

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@RiotPhroxzon > mages bot also need to be viable picks to allow teams to undoom themselves in champ select for an ad mid pick like zed/yone/Yasuo

But I feel doomed picking Elise when she's 49% winrate RN masters+. How about buff traditional AP junglers instead of off-role or AD junglers.

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@RiotPhroxzon @Spideraxe30 Buffing brand jungle back into the game before Elise jungle which has a dying playrate and struggling winrate.

Can’t make this shit up.

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@Samnbino @RiotPhroxzon Nidalee can take over a whole game with invades and preventing the enemy jg from ever touching CS, Elise is pretty restricted to her only niche being tower dives before level 6 and then she doesn't do anything else over a sylas ekko or zyra.

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@Samnbino @RiotPhroxzon 2% PR is the lowest she's been since season 8 actually.

she always hovers 50% or higher cause of the coinflip nature of first 5 minutes of the game. When its any lower its indicative she either a) can't win first 5 minutes (s8) or b) is so bad shes a mid game detriment (s4)

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@Greivun @RiotPhroxzon > Lillia legitimately worst jungler in the game since 2025

Elise says hi.

AP junglers in general have been dogshit for awhile since they're either diana/ekko/sylas or a glass cannon skirmisher that either one shots or gets one shot trying (elise & lillia are here)

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@RiotPhroxzon @SkinSpotlights Revert the 26.08 Elise R rescripts.

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@TroyKv @Norman_Asspxrn @Finchinator2 Volc is stop walled with just bug/fire/grass/psychic coverage by a lot of things, with tera blast it was hypothetically using would be counters as setup fodder bait (ground for heatran, fairy for dragonite, water for skeledirge/moltres), now its not longer a guess when it loses.

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@ProxyFreak @Finchinator2 Difference is you could easily live with that by just having a ghost type.

Every pokemon could learn explosion but it won't sweep the whole team because of it (can't imagine why) and ghost types have a 100% counter rate for it while TB the element of every type is rough.

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@drewlevin Not sure how recent this goes but my account (as well as anyone I'm in lobby with, seems like there's a connection between being premades since I dont get these in solo queue) gets these FR after about 30 minutes of premade games (any queue) and two days ago last i played.

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@bjayers_ @CentroLeaks Complaining about something valid =/= "never happy"

There's 0 reason to not include 6v6 in a private custom battles format and that was what the majority of players were looking forward to; getting to play 6v6 megas again instead of 3v3 coinflip simulator.

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@RiotAugust @_LucasBorges You don't know if that WR will stabilize by just assuming "its op day 1" cause who knows what even beats her at this point.

Not disagreeing that she is strong, disagreeing with the philosophy of using day 1 for anything constructive.

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@RiotAugust @_LucasBorges respectfully disagree cause you're not factoring in the other champion interactions as well.

1 Day on a very easy to play champion with a familiar kit isn't the same as every matchup inting into her seeing if they can win the stat check now or whether to invade or gank more.

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@RiotAugust fear in general on her is counter intuitive when you want to land on who you're fearing, and even more awkward when you factor in the E slow, like tbh it should be a very strong slow itself or at least really damn good to justify being a fear now over the carry knockback

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@RiotAugust The R fear nerf is a mistake. Its easily the worst part of her VGU since its so inferior to the carrying knock-back the old ult had.

You guys just buffed her base stats as a knee jerk response to early feedback, nerf her base stats they're ridiculously high as is, keep 1s fear.

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@RiotPhroxzon I just don't get how she hasn't hit any thresholds that would cause a deeper look into her kit / gimmick cause this is not long term sustainable.

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@RiotPhroxzon It amazes me how neeko has gotten more nerfs than documented bug fixes (with a list rivaling old morde) and buffs in the past few years.

At some point she's going to need a rework either to clean up how inconsistent all her problems are or to make her less projailed.