Leftists actually believe that the stuff they like is 100% good with no downsides, and the stuff they dislike is 100% evil fascist bad stuff for no reason.
As though all EBT money goes to orphans getting to have a birthday party, and all police exist exclusively to abuse minorities.
i can think of no better use for $9 of my tax dollars than a kid whose family receives EBT getting to bring enough treats for the whole class to school on their birthday
“What kind of onion is this?
“A yellow one obviously”
“WRONG, you fool! For this is no onion at all, but rather a decorated cake! You must feel so stupid now huh!”
I don’t think that banning abortion is strictly religious (though most ban proponents are). The crux is point at which life, or at least your rights, begins. Based on an individual’s right to life, there’s a libertarian argument to be made on either side based on where you land on that question.
At this point I’m convinced that the only 3 “valid” points to land are conception, heartbeat, and brainwaves. That’s probably where it comes down to religion.
@wacentrist@CTREM31@z80jim@FredF29130@McJuggerNuggets You try to imply that the existence of miscarriage as a result of negligence invalidates most miscarriage being natural.
And when I give you an argument instead of calling you a retard, you hit me with “word salad?”
FWIW At least *some* miscarriages *should* be investigated
You’re missing that the reason for someone to not make that decision is (usually?) the belief that it’s murder. If you think 1. it’s murder; and 2. people shouldn’t murder; then you’re not going to take that kind of position with this issue. That’s why I’m interested in OP’s reasoning.
@CTREM31@wacentrist@z80jim@FredF29130@McJuggerNuggets That doesn’t make natural miscarriage unnatural. Those cases of intentional harm or negligence are different because of the intent / negligence on the part of the mother.
@wacentrist@z80jim@CTREM31@FredF29130@McJuggerNuggets The external factor makes all the difference then. You can apply this to anything else: I can fall down a cliff or be pushed, and only one of those is murder (pretend I came up with a manslaughter example too). The difference is a person’s intent/negligence and action.
Are you saying that humans subjectively value something based on their own social interactions, cultural influences, and personal experiences?
Or that someone only has value if they perform/experience those things?
We’re not talking about individual people’s principles, we’re talking about legislation that holds everyone to the same ethical standards.
In one case you’re legislating based on the subjective; in the other, you’re saying that a human at any age that’s incapable of these things can be rightfully killed.