“We all know some things to be true. And the things we know to be true, we know with certainty. But this is only because we know, in truth, that there is One who knows all things — and He is the One who says that those things are true.”
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@gijoe6pack So… you’re saying: “It simply ‘looks’ ominous, I can’t ‘see’ any upward trends… which means it could be true, and I could be false.”
Could I get that on the record, mate 😉
Respectfully, I am not going to submit to terms you have set, concerning how this conversation ought to proceed. But the very notion that you believe I should, reinforces the fact that you are indeed not neutral.
Regrading Flew, I am familiar with his claim that a lack of belief is the default position of human reasoning. I reject it, for reasons I have already given. Belief itself (which requires reason, logic, truth, etc) presupposes God, because without God, you cannot account for these things. So to suggest that people are ignorant of God’s existence and therefore “lack a belief” in Him, is completely nonsensical. You are, as Scripture tells us, without excuse.
No one is condemned by God for denying the God they do not know to exist. Those who already know He exists, and yet persist in denying Him, it is they who stand condemned.
Arrogance has nothing to do with it. It is impossible to be neutral. Everybody has a set of presuppositions which they bring to the table, assumptions that are taken for granted. You tacitly assume that there can be intelligibility independent of God. Morality, logic, reason, the uniformity of nature, truth itself, all of these presuppose an ultimate objective standard which cannot be grounded in subjective, finite minds.
However, the claim that God exists has been presented to you, which means you are no longer in a position of suspended judgment or innocent ignorance. You have a proposition before you, and you must respond to it from within your existing belief structure. There is no neutral ground from which to evaluate it.
So the question is not whether you have a belief structure — it’s which one you’re operating from.
All people can know true things and do relatively good things, but no one can give a consistent account as to why they know them or why those things are good, without first borrowing from the Christian worldview.
“The moment men and women try to develop absolute statements of truth independently of God, they are claiming to be omniscient.”
— Dr. Philip Kayser
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When Christians use the Bible to defend the Bible, they are often accused of circular reasoning. But how could you prove an ultimate standard without first appealing to that ultimate standard?
Think about it: Can you prove that logic exists without using logic?
@RFupdates That is completely untrue. The Hebraic language used is not poetic or metaphorical. To make that claim is completely nonsensical. Exodus 20:9–11 affirms in no uncertain terms that God had given the Israelites a model for their working week that paralleled His working week.
As Christians, we may not always understand God’s purposes, in any given situation, however, we are never in a position whereby we cannot even account for the existence of evil.
This “problem of evil” is often put to the Christian as something of a hammer blow, in an attempt to sweep aside any justification for the God of the Bible. But the real problem is not the problem of evil; it’s the problem of Good.
Because you cannot have evil if you don’t first have Good. And good can only exist if you first have a standard for good. Furthermore, it must be a standard that’s bigger than us — something unchanging, personal, and loving.
That standard is found in the triune God of the Bible. Remove Him, and evil is reduced to nothing more than personal preference.
Darwinian evolution would not be evidence for the existence of the triune God of scripture because Darwinian evolution is inconsistent with the truth of scripture. Scripture does not allow for death and suffering prior to the fall of man in Genesis 3. Death and suffering are a result of the fall of man. This is confirmed not just in Genesis but in Exodus 20 as well, and affirmed in the New Testament. To say that evolution could be evidence for the existence of God is completely fallacious; it is inconsistent with the Word of God itself.