@sometimesjoey@gwowls I saw another angel fly in the midst of heaven having the..
Bit it didnt matter ... galations is more true than Revelations for sure
Learning to have a good character is definitely a scam.
Paying the church? You mean giving a voluntary tithe?
Is the "becoming" a good being like unto Jesus Christ who is a God, an evil thing?
When you have a group of people who desperately need to discredit anything to do with any God.
@___TheGOOdWitch 99% is by 20 weeks.
At 25 weeks its 96%
Medically necessary?
1.7% of all abortions may be categorized as such
The after 20 weeks 1% could be categorized as 20 to 40% medically necessary. Nothing anywhere support 100% medical necessity.
This guy is just an ill informed bully
Uhhhh.... there is no statement that all sin is equal outside blasphemy.
Western law is already based on judeo/Christianity so saying you cannot is preemptively self refuting.
Sounds like the Christian debater simply worked via cultural Christianity and not a solid working knowlege.
The framing assumes three things the doctrine doesn't actually claim.
First, that the conditions of mortal life are something God invented and then regretted. They aren't. Real moral agency requires three things:
the ability to tell good from evil,
a finite life so choices actually carry weight,
and the absence of God's overwhelming presence so the choices are genuinely ours and not just compliance under observation.
Strip any of those out and you don't get free moral agents. You get automatons or actors performing for the camera.
The first humans accepted these conditions knowingly, with the cost disclosed in advance. They weren't tricked into a broken world. They were granted entry into the only kind of world where becoming is possible.
Second, that God is acting on whim. He isn't. He's describing universal truth about what it takes to grow a moral being. The terms aren't arbitrary rules He made up and could have made differently. They're the structure of the thing itself. You can't grow a person who chooses the good without giving them the real capacity to choose otherwise, real stakes when they do, and real authorship over the outcome. God didn't legislate this any more than a physicist legislates gravity. He's telling His children how reality actually works so they can navigate it.
Third, that Christ's sacrifice is God "killing Himself to fix His mistake." It isn't. Any system where real choices carry real consequences faces a problem:
the worst choices would permanently damage the chooser, ending any chance of growth.
Shame, in particular, stagnates a person — once it becomes identity, the person stops moving forward.
Christ's role is to break that.
His sacrifice frees people from the permanent weight of shame so they can keep growing, forgive, and align with truth going forward. It isn't God repairing a defect. It's the built-in mechanism that lets a system of real choices remain a system where growth is still possible after bad ones.
Read this way, the objection collapses. God didn't invent a problem and then suicide His way out of it. He disclosed the universal terms of becoming, accepted the cost those terms required so His children wouldn't be permanently broken by their own missteps, and made forgiveness and forward motion available to anyone willing to take it.
Inferno
"Inferno" has no reference to fire in its origins. It comes from Latin infernus — "the place below," from inferus meaning "low." Same root as infernal and inferior. (Infer, despite appearances, is unrelated — that one's from inferre, "to carry in.")
Hell also has no fire in its roots. It traces to Proto-Germanic haljō from PIE kel-, "to cover, conceal" — the hidden place, the underworld.
Both words originally pointed to location, not temperature.
What we see in modern "inferno = large hot fire" is a clean case of cross-lingual drift. Latin infernus became Italian inferno and Spanish infierno, both meaning "hell." Culture then fused hell with fire (Dante's Inferno did heavy lifting), and when English borrowed the Italian word, it imported the fire-association along with it. The fire was never in the word. It was added later.
This is exactly what Lexical Collimation is built to surface — hunting for the smuggled-in meaning until the original resolution snaps back into focus. Most words we use casually have accumulated a fog of cultural overlay that hides what they actually meant. Once you start pulling the layers apart, you see things you couldn't see before.
Still chasing the missing color blue.
This is a tired argument and it doesn't hold up.
Point 1 - the strawman. The quoted.pist doesn't say he "needs" God to he good. He says that without it, you can call whatever you want "good".
If you can't tell the difference between the two, I suggest stopping to look.
Point 2 - sidestepping the actual argument. How do you measure what is "good"? Each person independently can claim something is good and be opposite. Ask Marge Sanger about the ethics of eugenics.
@TheSkepticWiz God is a title given to both divine and non-divine entities. In fact, it describes entities and non-entities. You may need to make your question more specific.
@___TheGOOdWitch If you couldn't teach anything you couldnt prove, then we wouldn't teach:
Evolution
Global warming
Abiogenesis
Big Bang
Atheism
If in school they were forced to say *we dont know* instead of unproven theory, religion would explode in size.
@sirDukeDevin No, he questioned wether a DEI hire was qualified because the DEI hire was based solely on skin color and not skill.
Critical thinking is hard.
@diegocaleiro@genejchan You have a PhD?
Whoever makes people hit a button is the monster.
Only those hitting blue can die.
You might convince 12% to hit blue but isn't the premise that you don't know what others will do?
Red - no death or blue, possible death? No one is picking blue.
@planetarypop@RobertJ62216833@meishato Maybe advanced reasoning isn't standard high school curriculum because then people like you couldn't graduate.
Ad hominem isn't an argument.
Go back and address the original point or shut it.