Vangjel

[Vangjel @Vangjel44]

@kos_data A million have already left the country under him, nobody needed usa, etc, to send them anywhere, they left on their own because they couldn't make a life. "Albania belongs to Albanians" means being able to stay, afford a home, reach your own coast, and he calls that nazi.

[Vangjel @Vangjel44]

@untiedbutton @astralteryen @kos_data Playground comeback, not an argument, facts don’t need a local adress

[Vangjel @Vangjel44]

@astralteryen @kos_data Read the sentence again, subject is turkey... the "that" refers to what turkey does, not to what kids choose. Nothing needed clarifying, you just read it the way that suited you, nice try with "now we've clarified" to walk away, but my point hasn't moved an inch, good night.

[Vangjel @Vangjel44]

@astralteryen @kos_data * the problem

[Vangjel @Vangjel44]

@astralteryen @kos_data Fair, we drifted. But I never called people's choices toxic. A kid taking Turkish classes isn't the problem, he problem is who's behind it, people choose freely, sure, but what's on offer is carefully chosen too.

[Vangjel @Vangjel44]

@astralteryen @kos_data Some became viziers, nobody denies it, but in Istanbul, in the Albanian vilayets most people couldn't read, Albanian schools were mostly banned, every revolt was crushed by force, e had to revolt just to get our own alphabet, good for the viziers, not for the people back home.

[Vangjel @Vangjel44]

@astralteryen @kos_data I'm not the one making turkey inherit anything, Ankara does it on its own, italy constitution bans the fascist party, Erdogan celebrates the Ottomans every chance he gets, f you claim the legacy, you get the whole legacy, not just the nice parts.

[Vangjel @Vangjel44]

@astralteryen @kos_data And since Ankara openly embraces the Ottoman legacy, calling its influence "toxic" isn't a double standard, it's judging by track record.

[Vangjel @Vangjel44]

@astralteryen @kos_data We're going in circles there, Italy ruled us for years, Ottomans for centuries, not the same weight. Ottomans left us stuck in 1700, while Italy built roads in a few years that we still use (which is pathetic, but that's on rama) People judge by what each left behind...

[Vangjel @Vangjel44]

@astralteryen @kos_data You answered yourself, history explains why we're close to Italy, and it also explains why we're more wary of Turkey, the same language class doesn't carry the same meaning when it comes from the country that ruled us, as a Turk, you probably know symbols matter.

[Vangjel @Vangjel44]

@astralteryen @kos_data Nobody said anyone owns 🇦🇱, that's a strawman, we're a small country, it's normal to look closely at who's investing here and why, and it's not the same thing, Italy is where most of us went to work and rebuild after the 90s, we belong to neither, but that doesn't make them equal

[Vangjel @Vangjel44]

@astralteryen @kos_data tangible

[Vangjel @Vangjel44]

@astralteryen @kos_data My point was never that it's working, it's that turkey is trying, an attempt doesn't need to succeed to be

[Vangjel @Vangjel44]

@astralteryen @kos_data Don't twist my words, i didn't concede anything, my point hasn't changed, turkey is copying italy, language, scholarships, series, a university, to take it over, same role, same kids, that's not a preference, that's what call toxic

[Vangjel @Vangjel44]

@astralteryen @kos_data Eu chapters are signed by the state, turkish influence works on society, a gov can tick brussels box while a generation grows up with ankara as its model, that's the cost, and it doesn't show up in official paperwork

[Vangjel @Vangjel44]

@kaire344 @astralteryen @kos_data The poor martyr who endured my arguments with such courage... Btw millions of Turks have Albanian roots, I have nothing against Turkish people, criticizing Ankara strategy isn't hating Turks, but nuance is too much to ask.

[Vangjel @Vangjel44]

@astralteryen @kos_data Everyone does cultural diplomacy, and that's exactly the point, you're copying Italy to take its place. Except Italy pulls us toward the EU, which accounts for over half our trade, for a small economy like ours, the future is Brussels, not Istanbul.

[Vangjel @Vangjel44]

@astralteryen @kos_data You're playing blind, repeating "double standard" on loop. Nobody's spitting on Turkey aid, but it comes at a toxic cost. Italy and Greece pushed us toward Europe. Turkey want to show us the way to a door Brussels has kept slammed in your face since 2018.

[Vangjel @Vangjel44]

@astralteryen @kos_data As for your question... Maarif, Yunus Emre, ottoman mosques renovated by TIKA, great mosque of Tirana paid for by Ankara, housing offered by erdogan after the earthquake, Turkish series 24/7... that's not an exchange, that's called a strategy.

[Vangjel @Vangjel44]

@astralteryen @kos_data Yeah, I removed the part due to a typo that reversed the sentences... no worries, i repeat, Italy and Greece have grievances with us, especially Greece, but that doesn't change the fact that they've contributed the most to our reconstruction since 1991