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@opnjmj Hello Gemma. A lot of noise in this conversation. I would like to speak to you in private, to better understand what led you to this position. I don't think trusting AI with a theological discussion is a smart decision. Hopefully we can have a charitable conversation?

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Yeah, i was expecting a few reading-impaired responses. If you notice I said "generally speaking". That's because Christ never pretended the Church would be perfect in its members (we are all free to sin). But in it's institution and doctrine.
But then again, that requires maybe more nuance than what is available in some heads.

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@jarldietrich Praying.

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Thank you. I am unclear as to what side are you arguing for, (Thesis?) But for the interest of the conversation:
The screenshots you provide discuss infamy of law.

Here is another source of confusion in this topic. People often confuse ecclesiastical penalties, or declaration, with the facts. In other words, a person can be a heretic, and the fact alone bears its consequences. The penalty or infamy is a separate issue, and it is merely the recognition on the part of the Church of that fact.

In other words, a person might a heretic, and ipso-facto lose his office, and be incapable of hold office or exercise functions in the church, even before an official declaration. The official declaration does not make the fact, it simply acknowledges it.

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It is unfortunate that certain theological discussions have not been kept to be amongst clergy, and are ventilated in such unhealthy places as facebook and X.

Now that the cat is out of the bag, it seems there is no option but to engage, but to those (specially thesis) clergy, who insist on preaching theories of theology instead of things that are more useful to the general people, one would beg: let's keep those discussions for the clergy, or those members of the laity who approach you with questions.

You don't discuss brain surgery in the local market.
And yes, I do it too.

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With respect, this is an example of the misunderstanding of the concept of "jurisdiction" which is even to be found among Priests. In Canon law, having the right to do something, does not equal jurisdiction. The use of words in Law is very specific and meaningful. Jurisdiction in the sense that we have been discussing refers to the power to Govern souls, and the care of souls. That is the kind of jurisdiction of the Diocesan Bishop and the Parish Priest.
It has no relation whatsoever to what you are mentioning here. The evidence being that often times Cardinals have no care of souls whatsoever (their office would impede them in some cases) and yet they were able to vote.

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@JimmytheHunj @austinemarie777 I deleted it, just because it is a useless waste of time to argue about it.
There will be better ways to discuss the problems of the thesis if need be.

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Mr. Hunjan thank you for your remarks. Even though it is an old video, it goes in line with recent remarks, in the live videos.
And although the statements from His Excellency can be qualified, ultimately the theological explanations of the thesis suffer of the same underlying problem, so my criticism remains. It's not this particular phrasing that's the problem, it is the whole stance, in my opinion.
- And also consider they have consistenly criticized our Bishop and group, in much less friendly terms.
God Bless You.

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@JohnChandler89 https://t.co/OV3nNsDpTw

To be clear, i don't hold him to be a Saint. He made errors. But the errors, and even sins of a man do not invalidate the sacraments he conveys. If it was so, no one in the Church (or few) would have valid orders. (we have two more videos coming on this)

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@JohnChandler89 https://t.co/naVF0gaIhE

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@Patriotforheavn @D1870473838573 Let me suggest a middle ground: tune into podcast episodes that deal only with known and useful topics of the faith. And discard the ones that are just commentary on recent news or controversy, and you will still be able to enjoy good content and peace.

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@Skanderbeg1405 Thank you friend. Uh... for us, it's been ended a long time ago. Is Thesis clergy that defends its existence and supposed canonical power. God Bless you! Pray for me.

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@JohnChandler89 There are no good canonical or theological concerns regarding the validity of Thuc Bishops. Only a "but I don't like him"... sort of argument.

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Oh, you have no idea how much. We love Mary, we pray to her, we talk to her. That's because we are those of which Jesus said "These are my brethren"... those who hear his words. And Mary also is our Sister in Christ, for she also (as the GOSPEL says) "Kept the words in her heart.
We are children of the Mother of Jesus.
You, sadly, are an orphan child of Luther and Calvin.

A Motherless child.

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With Charity I would reply to these points. Clarifying that I do not support the idea of the Imperfect Council without grave qualifications and at the moment I haven't subscribed to it. However, these points are interesting to respond. I post what was written as the doctrine of Thesis Clergy and my suggestion for an answer:

"The Catholic Church is not composed of Traditional Catholics alone!!! How can traditional Catholic bishops then claim to represent the Universal Church in an Imperfect General Council?
Disputed Doctrine: The Novus Ordo Church is juridically a distinct non-Catholic sect."

- The Answer: the proponents of the Imperfect Council should try to bring to the discussion (not necessarily to an election) not only "Traditional Catholic Bishops" but also any other clergy or people of interest who does what is necessary to be regarded a Catholic in good standing:
- Reject Vatican II doctrinally.
-Reject its liturgical reforms.
-Restore the validity of the orders of Bishops and Priests.
-Condemn the sinful practices of Vatican II, main among them: Indifferentism and false ecumenism.

"The election of the pope is an act of jurisdiction in the external forum!!! How can traditional Catholic bishops who have absolutely no jurisdiction in the external forum claim to exercise one of the most sublime acts of jurisdiction in the external forum?!!!

Disputed Doctrine: Traditional Catholic clergy possess and exercise habitual jurisdiction in the external forum, supplied by implicit delegation following the tacit will of all previous popes."

I would question the premise. So far no one has brought good witnesses to the proposition that the election of a Pope is an act of Jurisdiction. I ask those who say so to instruct us in the matter if you have those resources. Even then, the question would be open to the disputed doctrine.
If the Thesis clergy holds they have no jurisdiction to elect a Pope, one might contend, on the same grounds, they have no jurisdiction to erect parishes, witness marriages,hear confessions, consecrate Bishops, etc.
If they can argue to a state of necessity enough that they are allowed to do these things, on the same grounds they would be able to elect a Pope. If they argue there is no justification to presume such jurisdiction on the same grounds they have no justification for their active ministry.

"In fact, according to the proponents of the Thesis, there is already a pope elect, and there are papal electors. Where then is the necessity for extraordinary electors or even a papal election? Any attempt cannot be anything but absurd and schismatic!
Disputed Doctrine: The post-Vatican II papal claimants are not popes, neither formally nor materially; the Novus Ordo cardinals are not cardinals of the Roman Catholic Church. "
I believe that the burden of proof here lies on the Thesis side and not on us. The Thesis holds a novel doctrine, that is THE disputed doctrine, namely, that it is possible for pertinacious and public heretics to have the authority to elect a Pope. (and according to you in this post) to have jurisdiction to elect a Pope. I find that doctrine to be novel, and therefore the burden of the proof is on them. So far I haven't found the arguments convincing.
ALSO, if this is so, then there is no justification for their lack of effort to convert the Cardinals and Hierarchy whom they hold to be THE ONLY HOPE for restoration of the Papacy.

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I am a Mexican living in America. You should remember the context of this commandment, because foreigners where at the same time required to love their new neighbors, and to adapt to them. Even to their religious beliefs. FYI.
"Thus shalt thou do For every ox and ram and lamb and kid. Both they that are born in the land, and the strangers Shall offer sacrifices after the same rite. There shall be all one law and judgment both for you and for them who are strangers in the land.".... Numbers 15,11.

Oh, and are you cool with this too?... is right after the quote you give us:
"“If a man has sexual relations with another man as with a woman, they have committed a terrible sin. They must be put to death. They are responsible for their own death." Leviticus 20:13.

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@Psalm399 @FrValerii I invite you to re-read your last 4 or 5 posts. Good stuff.
God Bless you and have a good feast day tomorrow!

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What a good Mother should be like - Mother's day https://t.co/8oLBEg5poZ via @YouTube

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If it was ok to make a brazen serpent that represented our Lord... how can protestants argue God would condemn to make an actual representation of our Lord?
The God that forbade it, has the power to allow it.