Statement of Faith 2
*recites Nicean Creed in Latin*
I Believe that the actual Catholic Church is the sum assemblage of anyone who unfeignedly loves Jesus Christ and seeks to be made pleasing to God. "For anyone who calls upon the name of the Lord Will be Saved" (Romans 10:13)
@Osarseph0 This is cope, because literally anybody and everybody could be considered invincibly ignorant, over and against the un-retconned meaning of the infalliable decrees of the church.
@BashlinCore The Papal bull Unam Sanctam invokes papal infallibility and defines, decrees, and declares that every human creature must be subject to the Roman Pontiff to be saved. This disproves the argument.
this is like the hugest cope + retconning I have ever seen on Florence wow. Your Francis canonized people who are infallibly in hell, no amount of apologetics spin doctoring will make that make sense. Just admit papal infallibility was always fake
Florence (and related dogmas) condemns culpable rejection of the Church, knowing the Catholic faith is true and refusing it. It does not require Catholics to judge the eternal fate of individuals born into separated communities (material schism/heresy) or those who die confessing Christ. The Church has never dogmatically listed any particular person (outside rare cases like certain historical figures in some interpretations) as being in hell. Catholic theology holds that someone dying for the faith (even without formal sacraments or visible membership) can be united to the Church through “baptism of blood.” Pope Francis explicitly referenced this when discussing these martyrs: they were “baptized not only in water and the Spirit, but also in blood.”
In May 2023, Pope Francis announced (with the consent of Coptic Pope Tawadros II) that the 21 martyrs would be inserted into the Roman Martyrology—the Catholic Church’s official list of saints and martyrs. Their relics have been venerated in St. Peter’s Basilica on their feast day (February 15). This is an act of ecumenical communion and treats them as martyrs in heaven, not as people dogmatically consigned to hell.
Your entire argument stems from taking Florence out of context; do better.
@TrigZig@TransAndMerican Arsenokoitai is a fairly ambiguous word meaning 'man-bed' and we really don't know what it means but it may not be even exclusively homosexual
@TrigZig@TransAndMerican I find it hard to believe that a loving and monogamous union of two people, while imperfect like every couple, would be utterly detested by the supreme Eternal Good that underlies all thing