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[Michael Sandford Comics @Xandford]

@KellMorrHK @Smaug465888 @drainurlyfe @pissvortex What? No i don't? Nothing i said discredits marx. Have you read marx?

[Michael Sandford Comics @Xandford]

@KellMorrHK @Smaug465888 @drainurlyfe @pissvortex if you could by an auto manufacturing plant, that costs the same as half a car, that can make one car with no labour or input instantly and then disappears you would do that if you were rational.

[Michael Sandford Comics @Xandford]

@KellMorrHK @Smaug465888 @drainurlyfe @pissvortex if you could buy a steak sized piece of a cow for half the price of a steak and through no labour or input instantly turn it into a steak I think you would.

[Michael Sandford Comics @Xandford]

@Smaug465888 @KellMorrHK @drainurlyfe @pissvortex just an assumption I mentioned earlier in order to make sense of why widget consumers would buy widgets instead of widget producing robots in this scenario.

[Michael Sandford Comics @Xandford]

@KellMorrHK @drainurlyfe @pissvortex The exploitation is happening throughout the economy where labour is being used to create surplus value. The robot profit is captured surplus value from the rest of the economy by enforcing a monopoly of robot technology through force.

[Michael Sandford Comics @Xandford]

@KellMorrHK @drainurlyfe @pissvortex what do you mean by 'need' exactly?

[Michael Sandford Comics @Xandford]

@KellMorrHK @drainurlyfe @pissvortex It doesn't create any surplus value. The living labour in the rest of the economy is being exploited to create surplus value and the robot factory is merely capturing it. It doesn't create surplus value any more than a kidnapper ransoming hostages.

[Michael Sandford Comics @Xandford]

@KellMorrHK @drainurlyfe @pissvortex For it to make sense... the robot factory is using some kind of monopoly on the technology to extort surplus value from the rest of the economy. Otherwise everybody would buy 1/1000th of a widget producing robot for $1 instead of buying a widget for $2

[Michael Sandford Comics @Xandford]

@KellMorrHK @drainurlyfe @pissvortex I think it would be from labour outside of the robot factory

[Michael Sandford Comics @Xandford]

@KellMorrHK @drainurlyfe @pissvortex Im looking back at your example and i think that since the robot factory can't actually fulfill the full 2000 and is only fulfilling half that it halves the surplus value. All the surplus value is coming from the second factory but it is halved by the robot factory.

[Michael Sandford Comics @Xandford]

@KellMorrHK @drainurlyfe @pissvortex ... we would agree thats ridiculous right?

[Michael Sandford Comics @Xandford]

@KellMorrHK @drainurlyfe @pissvortex Is there perhaps a problem with trying to make everything instant except for capital response?
If I said you could print infinite money at T0 but nobody could change prices in response until T1 therefore I've busted the theory that printing money wouldn't make everybody rich...

[Michael Sandford Comics @Xandford]

@KellMorrHK @drainurlyfe @pissvortex So you think that the same exact product sold for more money when a cheaper identical product is available, for no reason, is creating more value in the world?

[Michael Sandford Comics @Xandford]

@KellMorrHK @drainurlyfe @pissvortex Answer the question? If the all input costs of material and labour are 0 then why would someone pay for it rather than just using the NOTHING it takes to make the widget and make it for themselves for free?

[Michael Sandford Comics @Xandford]

@KellMorrHK @drainurlyfe @pissvortex Did you? You've read the three volumes of capital? Or at least 'wage labour and capital'?

[Michael Sandford Comics @Xandford]

@KellMorrHK @drainurlyfe @pissvortex There's no surplus value. You're just saying 'well what if people paid lots of money to someone for no reason?'
You could have skipped all this robot talk and said 'well what if people paid a billion dollars for air they could get for free?'

[Michael Sandford Comics @Xandford]

@KellMorrHK @drainurlyfe @pissvortex What i said does not at all say surplus value cones from exploiting the consumer? What?

[Michael Sandford Comics @Xandford]

@KellMorrHK @drainurlyfe @pissvortex Nothing i said 'busts' marx or ltv

[Michael Sandford Comics @Xandford]

@KellMorrHK @drainurlyfe @pissvortex No?