@VaVeeVoo_@lukchup_chup@hxhwaiting Also,what matters is what happened at that moment.Anything brought up later can't justify what happened then.we don't know if they had real proof at that time like CCTV, not just ppl's words. Whether she did it or not, staff's job is to keep things calm, not escalate the conflict
Fact. There is nothing civilized abt treating a woman like a criminal before knowing the truth, then cheering as she's dragged away and beaten. Some ppl actually think the staff did "a great job". It's insane
I am so shocked by the ignorance of basic law I have seen in the comments for this case today. To briefly explain: 1) staff (including official employees of this company and outsourced or temporary employees) and security members do NOT have law enforcement authority. 2) Taking personal belongings, including a mobile phone, without consent from owner is equivalent to robbery. 3) The victim's counter-attack while the attack is ongoing is considered self-defense. It is very interesting that all the clips posted by Thai fans (this is a description of the reality I saw) just showed a "kick" on the staff. While this level of โkickโ does not exceed the bounds of reasonable self-defense. Conversely, restricting personal freedom, slamming, choking, and excessive force (several staffs, both men and women vs a female around 20)โand people still say these are justified? Indeed, some positions have certain responsibilities and also so-called "power", but should you encourage "abuse" when it serves your own interests?
i know this company knows exactly what the crisis is, who has the big problem. It is not an issue of manner or common practice, it is a legal issue. that is why the lawyers run OT on Sunday.
Btw, as an entertainment company, trying to solve problem by โinciting confrontationโ to get out from their responsibility of providing clear guidance and rules of onsite events, well done. And the โartist managerโ, the โhigh-profile and unrestrained speechโ is a good and professional example to show โCompany Valuesโ ๐
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@VaVeeVoo_@lukchup_chup@hxhwaiting I did watch them all but sorry i cant agree w you. The vids only show her being told to "get out," not any proof or real communication at that moment. lets be clear: whoever claims she cut in line should show the evidence first n getting physical w her should never be justified
@rainnumbrella@kouhaku10 just wanna say my point again: how did staff know she cut in line at that moment?Any convincing proof?if not, she had the right to not leave. Staff's job is to calm things down, not mess them up. She wasn't a threat, so taking her phone, getting physical w her canโt be justified
@rainnumbrella@kouhaku10 I have now.Thx for sharing. If u think a post written in Chinese, w no photos, no videos or any evidence beyond the text itself is enough to count as evidence, I respect what u choose to believe. when both sides tell different stories, only something like CCTV is truly convincing
@VaVeeVoo_@lukchup_chup@hxhwaiting You're assuming people can always stay calm n think clearly in a situation like that. That's just not how fear works, kinda ignores the fact that she's a young girl surrounded by several ppl. And I still believe whoever claimed she cut in line should've shown evidence first.
@kouhaku10 I get that, I also do the same thing. But I think the point is, can someone really stay calm and communicate when they feel scared or unsafe? Like, if a car suddenly comes at someone, they might not even run right away but just freeze because they're scared.
@kouhaku10 I would say translation app doesn't magically fix a situation where someone is surrounded, pressured to leave, and already being accused. That's not exactly a normal environment for communication.If u think ppl who feel unsafe can just calmly pull out a translator, I won't stop u
@lukchup_chup I would say CCTV is way more objective than either side's claims n I support using it. But the point is, the staff weren't sure if she cut in line that time. She had the right to refuse to leave. Also staff's role is to calm things down, not turn it into a physical confrontation
The moment a girl starts calling a male character or idol โbeautiful or prettyโ and calling him her wife, itโs over for her. Sheโs beyond saving. Sheโs down bad.
This is literally me right now๐
@lukchup_chup@hxhwaiting Lets get back to the point: whoever claimed she cut in line should've shown evidence first. If the staff wanted her to leave, they should've had some objective evidence like CCTV. it's a high rise building w cameras isn't it? if not, on what grounds were they asking her to leave?
@lukchup_chup@hxhwaiting It's easy to say, "use a translator app". True, she def can. but hey, how is anyone supposed to communicate while being surrounded, pressured to leave, and judged based on nothing but someone's claim? If u think that's "communication," I won't stop u.
@lukchup_chup@hxhwaiting First, she doesn't speak Thai, so communication was already difficult. did the staff really try to understand her, or just force her to leave? Saying she "makes mistakes by nature" is ridiculous. Would u be okay if I said violence is how Thailand handles conflicts? Ofc not.
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@_loverofbeauty_ A mess like this happening in a place that wasn't even that big, with a woman being violently forced out while a bunch of ppl were cheering and trying to get the actors' attention? honestly, sounds even worse than what I describedโฆ
@HeeTwitte I'll say it again: the burden of proof should've been on the accuser, not her. Asking someone to prove a negative is absurd. She told staff her umbrella used to hold her spot had gone missing before , no follow-up. you mentioned it's a high-rise building, why not check CCTV first
@HeeTwitte hey she doesn't understand Thai. how was she supposed to explain herself? just go w the staff n clear things up? sounds reasonable, but if she proved she was innocent, would they actually let her back in? btw the ppl accusing her should've been the ones showing evidence first
@hxhwaiting so several ppl surrounding a woman, forcing her out, trying to take her phone, and dragging her away before even knowing the truth isn't violence to u? Yet you only focus on the moment she kicked a staff member out of fear or self-defense. You're applying a double standard