Yango Kalamaris

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[Yango Kalamaris @YangoKalamaris]

@URUWAHE So

[Yango Kalamaris @YangoKalamaris]

@Pyetoquarl @ottomanenglish 🥱

[Yango Kalamaris @YangoKalamaris]

@florentiafl
Αν έχεις όρεξη και έχεις τίποτα καλύτερο κάνεις, πιάσε την κοπελιά εδώ που μας έπρηξε @EvrenSAuthor
Είναι μεγάλο νούμερο. Πρώτα αλλάζει ορισμούς και μετά μας κάνει και block.
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[Yango Kalamaris @YangoKalamaris]

@EvrenSAuthor On that note, I think we've reached the point where we're simply repeating ourselves.

I bid you good night and leave you to reconcile your various shifting definitions of continuity and identity.

All the best.

Sleep well.

[Yango Kalamaris @YangoKalamaris]

@SimonaChakar @kykypajko You will have to dream of this alone. This is a nightmare to me. Cheerio 👋

[Yango Kalamaris @YangoKalamaris]

@EvrenSAuthor If identity is defined by the state, then the Xiongnu, Göktürks, Seljuks, Ottomans and the Republic of Turkey were different identities because they were different states.

If continuity can survive those transitions, it can survive others too.

[Yango Kalamaris @YangoKalamaris]

@EvrenSAuthor Notice how your argument for Turks is based on continuity through change.

My objection was never to Turkish continuity.

It was to denying Greek continuity while accepting Turkish continuity using different standards.

[Yango Kalamaris @YangoKalamaris]

@SimonaChakar @kykypajko Like I said “You do you”
Obviously I have a very different moral compass. Night night

[Yango Kalamaris @YangoKalamaris]

@EvrenSAuthor No. I never said they were.

Language, ancestry, historical memory, cultural continuity and self-identification are all relevant.

You dismissed Greek continuity because language, religion and identity changed, then argued Turkish continuity survives changes in those same areas.

[Yango Kalamaris @YangoKalamaris]

@EvrenSAuthor What exactly continued from the Xiongnu to modern Turkey?

Not the religion.
Not the language in its original form.
Not the state.
Not the territory.

Yet you still argue continuity. Why?

[Yango Kalamaris @YangoKalamaris]

@EvrenSAuthor An evolving Greek language, Greek-speaking populations, cultural traditions, historical memory and a recognised connection to earlier Greek-speaking societies.

But my question remains: what exactly continued unchanged from the Xiongnu to modern Turkey?

[Yango Kalamaris @YangoKalamaris]

@EvrenSAuthor https://t.co/UslWoYuqWN

[Yango Kalamaris @YangoKalamaris]

@EvrenSAuthor If language, religion and identity don't define continuity, then you've weakened your own argument against Greek continuity.

You can't dismiss Greeks because language and identity changed, then say those things don't matter for Turks.

[Yango Kalamaris @YangoKalamaris]

@EvrenSAuthor By your standard:

Ancient Greeks → Hellenistic Greeks → Byzantine Romans → Ottoman Greeks → Modern Greeks

Different states, religions and identities, yet continuity remains.

That's exactly the argument you're making for Turks.

[Yango Kalamaris @YangoKalamaris]

@EvrenSAuthor If language, religion and identity don't define continuity, then you've weakened your own argument against Greek continuity.

You can't dismiss Greeks because language and identity changed, then say those things don't matter for Turks.

[Yango Kalamaris @YangoKalamaris]

@EvrenSAuthor You've shifted the goalposts.

First, you argued continuity exists for Turks despite major changes.

Now you're arguing continuity doesn't exist for Greeks because things changed.

Either continuity can survive change, or it can't. The standard must be the same for both.

[Yango Kalamaris @YangoKalamaris]

@EvrenSAuthor What remained?

A continuously evolving Greek language from Mycenaean Greek → Classical Greek → Koine → Byzantine Greek → Modern Greek.

Not unchanged, but continuous.

The same way Turkic evolved across 2,000+ years without remaining unchanged.

[Yango Kalamaris @YangoKalamaris]

@SimonaChakar @kykypajko No democratic elections.
No meaningful freedom to criticise the government.
Strict limits on protest and political activism.
Restricted press freedom.
Limited LGBTQ+ rights.
Human rights concerns with migrant workers.
Strong state control over public expression.
Recently unsafe

[Yango Kalamaris @YangoKalamaris]

@EvrenSAuthor Again!! You’re proving my point.

Xiongnu ≠ Göktürks ≠ Seljuks ≠ Ottomans ≠ modern Turks.

Different states, religions, territories and identities.

Yet continuity is accepted.

Why apply a different standard to Greeks?