@ClarkeMicah@thingshidden There wasn't such clear Canon Law in the past of course (Augustin said that there are Catholic things outside the Catholic Church, for example) but excommunication hasn't clearly been defined as 'removal of Catholic status' at any time.
@ClarkeMicah@thingshidden Rejecting the Pope does not remove Catholic status. In modern Canon Law it makes one 'not in full communion with the Church' but does not go as far this claim, as a baptism cannot be undone.
@RFTeague@ClarkeMicah@DominicSelwood But that's Peter's argument; that Henry was Catholic in faith, even if not Law. However, Canon Law since 1439 is that once baptised a Catholic a person remains so, even if excommunicated, schismatic or 'rebaptised' elsewhere.
@AnonMooseTweet@ClarkeMicah@holysmoke There were 17 Roman Catholic diocesan jurisdictions in England during the life of Henry 8th, each having differing laws and practices from one another, and from Rome, with the Pope only intervening in case of conflict.
"Just going to a mass..." which mass do you mean?
@AnonMooseTweet@ClarkeMicah@holysmoke The Catholic church at the time was still a franchise, and Sarum Use, being closer to the Tridentine Mass than Novus Ordo, made Henry a Catholic, by any measure. 'Subordination to the Pope' for all matters, is a Victorian invention.
@ComeYeSinners@LeonKelem The original Latin Raccolta does not use a word that exclusively means divine adoration. Latin versions of the prayer use veneror (โI venerateโ).
All I did was ask Grok.
@ComeYeSinners@LeonKelem In the English of that time, โworshipโ still carried a broader sense - it was not restricted to God (latria). You see the same usage elsewhere in older English: magistrates were addressed as โYour Worship,โ and Anglican weddings included the phrase โwith my body I thee worship.โ
@hollyoakleyy I think they know that welfare recipients are their voter base too, but they just can't help themselves when it comes to Thacherite nonsense.
@BlazorJP@MajinJeets@147Magtr Yeah, it was hard to do anything else in this case. Maybe swerve, or try the double kiss. Drop onto the red on the top cushion. I think if it was deliberate the balls could go back though.
@BlazorJP@MajinJeets@147Magtr I'd say it was clearly intentional, wouldn't you? Rule 16C says that after an intentional foul the balls can be replaced.
@MajinJeets@147Magtr He moved the red away from the pocket so that Bingham wouldn't be able to pot it, even with ball in hand. A deliberate foul, which is, as far as I know, against the rules. The referee was a bit out of her depth and didn't know what to do.