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[Yz @Yzooozz]

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[Yz @Yzooozz]

@thsottiaux I don't think that's a good idea, because Thursday happens to be my natural reset day. You might as well reset now

[Yz @Yzooozz]

Same week of work, same ChatGPT Plus plan.

On 5.6 Sol it came to about $140 at API prices.
On 6.1 Sol, about $55–60.

The cheaper model left me with less than half the quota. I don't think the limits shrank. I think the ruler changed.

Some context first. Back in the 5.6 Sol days, a week of Plus was worth about $140 at API prices and Pro 20x about $2,800. Exactly 20x, which matters later.

Then:
Sep 4: Astra launches and usage explodes
Sep 11: new $200 Pro signups get paused
Sep 29: signups reopen, but the new Pro 200 works out to half the API dollars of the old one. The same post (quoted) says subscription dollars and API dollars shouldn't end up far apart
Sep 30: 6.1 Sol ships at 1/5 of Astra's price
Oct 30: the cut gets reversed and all Pro limits double

So: a cheaper model, the old limits back, and a line about subscription value tracking the API. I expected my quota to go further. It didn't, so I tested it.

Two Plus seats, roughly the same requests and token counts. One only used 5.6, the other only 6.1. Later I moved one seat to 20x and ran only 5.6. I converted everything at official API prices.

What I got:
Plus on 5.6: ~$140
Plus on 6.1: ~$55–60
20x on 5.6: ~$2,800
20x on 6.1: ~$1,300–1,400 (rough, estimated over several days)

My read: a week gets you about the same number of tokens on either model, but 6.1 tokens are way cheaper on the API. So inside the subscription, 6.1 is effectively billed at more than 2x its API price.

On Plus, switching to the cheaper model doesn't buy you any extra room. On 20x, the multiplier is still 20x (confirmed Nov 8), so you take the same hit on 6.1.

Easy way to check yours: take a normal week of work and multiply your tokens by the current model's API price. That's what your weekly quota is really worth.

These are my own numbers, not official. API prices move, and the 20x figures are partly estimates.

What plan and model are you on, and what do you get per week? Curious if anyone's seeing something different.

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[Tibo @thsottiaux]

Hi,

Tomorrow we are re-opening the Pro $200 subscriptions to new subscribers, but together with it we are also changing how we calculate the usage for it. In effect, if you do the math, it will net out at half the dollar in API spend compared to the old Pro $200 plan.

Now that it's said, let me explain why this is happening and why you will still get more work done than if you were on the Pro $200 subscription one month ago.

(a) We didn't want to compromise in other ways and are committing to not reintroducing the 5h limit, so that you can fully use the weekly usage when you want.
(b) On the subscription, we guarantee that over time you always get more work done and with an increasing level of quality. This means that you will continue to get more value per dollar spent as a result of models getting more efficient and us passing down the improvements in the form of API price reductions.
(c) We don't want to put an incentive on ourselves to artificially inflate the API list prices to make it look like you are getting a lot (and workaround it through discounts, etc). Instead we want to continue to both rapidly reduce prices and increase capabilities of models on the API. This week we introduced GPT-6 Sol and GPT-6 Luna at 50% of their previous price. Over time, we see prices go low enough that it makes sense for most to buy usage as needed without there being a significant gap between what you get in a subscription and what you get in the API for a dollar spent.
(d) Tomorrow, we are adding more things to the subscription that won't draw on the usage, I won't reveal what that is yet.

I wanted to be transparent before all the big announcements tomorrow. Lots of new exciting things are coming to the subscriptions that will make it super compelling, but I wanted to make sure to share this change ahead of time so you can all understand it before we shower you with good news.

Codexingly,
Tibo