@AhmedSheriffdin By organic linkage I mean casual linkage or causal necessity
Under SC, e3 arises necessarily from e2, and e2 from e1
Whereas under OC there's no necessary causal connection btw e1 & e2 and e2 & e3 except for the fact that independent events: e1, e2 & e3 are arbitrarily ordered
@AhmedSheriffdin In the following causal chain, e1 → e2 → e3 → ... → en, I believe e2 can only come into existence through e1, rather than being an entirely separate event that is merely divinely placed after e1 with no necessary connection to it. 2/2
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Fair objection. Yes, the language I used was temporal from our perspective. But the point still stands. Even if Allah creates each and every moment atemporally, each event is still an independent creation with no necessary organic linkage to the others. 1/2
@AhmedSheriffdin Here's an important distinction you're missing out
There's a difference between domino falling under Allah's watch and/permission VS Allah actively making and causing the domino to fall directly.
@AhmedSheriffdin I believe Allah set the initial domino in motion, and the rest of the dominos fall on their own due to a preceding causal chain, as opposed to Allah continuously pushing each and every domino 2/2
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@AhmedSheriffdin If you're referring to the idea that Allah creates each successive, independent moment, frame, or event of the universe, then no. 1/2
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@Archetypical20 Left win camps in nature are well articulated, more factual, well read and overall more intelligent than Right Wing/ American conservative in general.
The most intelligent intellectual RW is dumbo in Left wings standard.
@AhmedSheriffdin@AhmedSheriffdin But it seems your understanding of Occasionalism is different or perhaps you're not seeing the implication it has on reality of causes.
I think I shouldn't have assumed that we were on the page what occasionalism means.
@AhmedSheriffdin I understand.
But if you remember my initial disagreement, I don't think Occasionalism = SC.
I am saying it's not and the difference isn't just semantic
The crux of disagreement is the objective nature and reality of intrinsic causes and causal chain of causes.
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Wallahi I'm not mocking your doctrine bro 😂
I'm trying my best not to be polemical or not give any indication I'm trying to be one
In fact as a gesture let me admit that imo Occasionalism is a strong model in explaining miracles.
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Perhaps for justified reasons you assumed that I am mocking Occasionalism for polemical reasons.
But rest assured I am not. Because I actually believe Occasionalism like SC can grounded in Quran and Sunnah. 1/2
@AhmedSheriffdin Although I find the doctrine of Occasionalism fascinating, I don't hold to that for rational and intuitive reasons.
But I don't believe the issue warrants tabdee nor it's an dogmatic creedal matter 2/2
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Perhaps for justified reasons you assumed that I am mocking Occasionalism for polemical reasons.
But rest assured I am not. Because I actually believe Occasionalism like SC can grounded in Quran and Sunnah. 1/2
@AhmedSheriffdin@AhmedSheriffdin It seems u don't hold the doctrine of occasionalism.
Because occasionalism entails or is the view that God is creating every independent sequence of events one after the another like PPT slides (There's no casual chain)
In fact you're closer to the view of SC
@AhmedSheriffdin@AhmedSheriffdin In other words you're saying Allah allows the causal chain of causes to continue unless he wills it for otherwise
I understand occasionalism similar to frames of an animated film i.e playing all the drawing frames in sequence to give the illusion recorded event