Shoʿayb

Spiritually tired.

[Shoʿayb @ZombieScroller]

@Yuuuuuusuuuuuuf @alUkbari Comprehension skill issue lol

https://t.co/fo2tfr9BIg

[Mohammed Hijab @mohammed_hijab]

@alUkbari Equating ‘a lesser opinion’ with ‘belittlement’ is a basic failure to understand English. The comprehension problem is yours, not mine

[Shoʿayb @ZombieScroller]

@AskerBowen @paralax777 @alUkbari https://t.co/fo2tfr9BIg

Now what?

[Mohammed Hijab @mohammed_hijab]

@alUkbari Equating ‘a lesser opinion’ with ‘belittlement’ is a basic failure to understand English. The comprehension problem is yours, not mine

[Shoʿayb @ZombieScroller]

@LucasGageX @jacklanger @JakeTurx So when is your next "I stand with victims of Oct 7", or "Israel didn't commit genocide" post?

[Shoʿayb @ZombieScroller]

@AhmedSheriffdin By organic linkage I mean casual linkage or causal necessity

Under SC, e3 arises necessarily from e2, and e2 from e1

Whereas under OC there's no necessary causal connection btw e1 & e2 and e2 & e3 except for the fact that independent events: e1, e2 & e3 are arbitrarily ordered

[Shoʿayb @ZombieScroller]

@AhmedSheriffdin In the following causal chain, e1 → e2 → e3 → ... → en, I believe e2 can only come into existence through e1, rather than being an entirely separate event that is merely divinely placed after e1 with no necessary connection to it. 2/2
@AhmedSheriffdin

[Shoʿayb @ZombieScroller]

@AhmedSheriffdin @AhmedSheriffdin
Fair objection. Yes, the language I used was temporal from our perspective. But the point still stands. Even if Allah creates each and every moment atemporally, each event is still an independent creation with no necessary organic linkage to the others. 1/2

[Shoʿayb @ZombieScroller]

@AhmedSheriffdin Here's an important distinction you're missing out

There's a difference between domino falling under Allah's watch and/permission VS Allah actively making and causing the domino to fall directly.

[Shoʿayb @ZombieScroller]

@itselouardi @KhalilAndani @muslimorthodoxy Can't believe @KhalilAndani sometimes acts like a 12 year old polemical discord user when he is a legitimate scholar of Theology (theologian) and an academic.

[Shoʿayb @ZombieScroller]

@AhmedSheriffdin I believe Allah set the initial domino in motion, and the rest of the dominos fall on their own due to a preceding causal chain, as opposed to Allah continuously pushing each and every domino 2/2

@AhmedSheriffdin

[Shoʿayb @ZombieScroller]

@AhmedSheriffdin If you're referring to the idea that Allah creates each successive, independent moment, frame, or event of the universe, then no. 1/2

@AhmedSheriffdin

[Shoʿayb @ZombieScroller]

@AhmedSheriffdin https://t.co/xm5Bp43KZo
@AhmedSheriffdin

[Shoʿayb @ZombieScroller]

@AhmedSheriffdin Interesting video

[Shoʿayb @ZombieScroller]

@Archetypical20 Left win camps in nature are well articulated, more factual, well read and overall more intelligent than Right Wing/ American conservative in general.

The most intelligent intellectual RW is dumbo in Left wings standard.

[Shoʿayb @ZombieScroller]

@AhmedSheriffdin @AhmedSheriffdin But it seems your understanding of Occasionalism is different or perhaps you're not seeing the implication it has on reality of causes.

I think I shouldn't have assumed that we were on the page what occasionalism means.

[Shoʿayb @ZombieScroller]

@AhmedSheriffdin I understand.

But if you remember my initial disagreement, I don't think Occasionalism = SC.

I am saying it's not and the difference isn't just semantic

The crux of disagreement is the objective nature and reality of intrinsic causes and causal chain of causes.

[Shoʿayb @ZombieScroller]

@AhmedSheriffdin Alhamdulillah.

Now I hope I demonstrated that I am engaging in good faith you can relax and not be on guard lol

[Shoʿayb @ZombieScroller]

@AhmedSheriffdin https://t.co/Q3segvQOit

@AhmedSheriffdin

Wallahi I'm not mocking your doctrine bro 😂

I'm trying my best not to be polemical or not give any indication I'm trying to be one

In fact as a gesture let me admit that imo Occasionalism is a strong model in explaining miracles.

[Shoʿayb @ZombieScroller]

@AhmedSheriffdin @AhmedSheriffdin
Perhaps for justified reasons you assumed that I am mocking Occasionalism for polemical reasons.

But rest assured I am not. Because I actually believe Occasionalism like SC can grounded in Quran and Sunnah. 1/2

[Shoʿayb @ZombieScroller]

@AhmedSheriffdin Although I find the doctrine of Occasionalism fascinating, I don't hold to that for rational and intuitive reasons.

But I don't believe the issue warrants tabdee nor it's an dogmatic creedal matter 2/2

@AhmedSheriffdin

[Shoʿayb @ZombieScroller]

@AhmedSheriffdin @AhmedSheriffdin
Perhaps for justified reasons you assumed that I am mocking Occasionalism for polemical reasons.

But rest assured I am not. Because I actually believe Occasionalism like SC can grounded in Quran and Sunnah. 1/2

[Shoʿayb @ZombieScroller]

@AhmedSheriffdin @AhmedSheriffdin It seems u don't hold the doctrine of occasionalism.

Because occasionalism entails or is the view that God is creating every independent sequence of events one after the another like PPT slides (There's no casual chain)

In fact you're closer to the view of SC

[Shoʿayb @ZombieScroller]

@AhmedSheriffdin @AhmedSheriffdin In other words you're saying Allah allows the causal chain of causes to continue unless he wills it for otherwise

I understand occasionalism similar to frames of an animated film i.e playing all the drawing frames in sequence to give the illusion recorded event