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trying to look at things carefully...

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when you zoom out these are very normal thoughts for a 20 year old to have

[Clavicular @clavicular]

For the first time in a while Ive really been contemplating my purpose on this earth. I know im on a divine path in someway, I know im more than a streamer who hits mogs at clubs.

Operating at a higher level to have a real impact.

[vie ⟢ @viemccoy]

We stand at a great crossroads with two possible futures laid before us. In one, we blindly accelerate, and give away both our autonomy and our claim to the stars. In the other, we deliberately enhance humans alongside AI, and refuse to be succeeded. https://t.co/qr46g2cFn0

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In all seriousness I am taking her critiques to heart and will be revising #soon

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I got ratio'd by taylor lorenz and all I got was this stupid shirt

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I appreciate you saying that in your coverage. It is also true that gambling, for decades, was seen as not an addiction but a symptom of an underlying disorder, or an impulse control issue, and posing it as an addiction was just moral panic. We can look to many historical points to confirm our biases..

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ATTENTION!!! STOP TELLING PEOPLE THAT PHONE ADDICTION ISN'T REAL!!!

I have seen a trend of addiction purists exclaiming that phone addiction is fake and to stop spreading misinfo.

I can acknowledge that:

NO there is not a chemical dependence or withdrawal aspect. NO there is not causal evidence for long term cognitive issues. NO there is not causal evidence of harm or dysfunction.

I understand that scrolling habits do not fit the clinical model of addiction. I understand that framing something as addictive creates self fulfilling prophecies.

HOWEVER

A significant amount of people FEEL addicted to their phone. Many people repeatedly try and fail to get control of their scrolling habits (just like an addiction). People subjectively report mental harm from scrolling. We do not need a robust evidence base to acknowledge that people feel something akin to addiction with their phone, even if they are describing something different from clinical addiction. Telling them what they are feeling is not real doesn't help anything.

We can and MUST find the line between pathologizing and validating issues with phone misuse/addiction. Especially because most people cannot afford to cold turkey the internet, people need the internet for their livelihood. Furthermore, we are not dealing with a stagnant substance or behavior. As algorithms and the ways in which we interface them evolve, we need systems to ensure we identify harmful ones, enforce transparency from entities creating them, and disseminate information accordingly.

THIS DOES NOT mean restricting what people can and can't do, it means widely disseminating the known risks (like cancer warnings on a cigarette carton). People have every right in the world to do what they please when they please with their phones, but they must be informed of any known risks.

So please, if you think you are addicted to your phone and it's destroying your brain, double check that the scary research headlines you see aren't just peer reviewed click bait (they almost always are). And if you are angry at people for pathologizing their phone habits, remember that a lack of evidence doesn't invalidate subjective experience.

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I got ratio'd by taylor lorenz and all I got was this stupid shirt

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@TaylorLorenz Invalidating the lived experience** not feeling

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LOL I am not trying to make up a concept, I am using dynamic to describe the difference between consumption of algorithmic and non-algorithmic media. I see what you are saying about invalidating a false belief- and I was mixing together invalidating the belief and invalidating the feeling. Again, I think you can find the line by saying something like, "no this isn't an addiction and yes it is possible that you have developed an unhealthy relationship with it." Also, I think when enough people report having a problem with it, there is probably more going on than buying into far right stigmas. I appreciate you talking with me about this.

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I agree on not pathologizing, and distinguishing unhealthy from addicting. But, I worry that, just as calling something addictive that isn't clinically addictive can be damaging, so can invalidating people who have said unhealthy relationship. I think we agree somewhat but I believe your framing is harmful to someone reading it that is genuinely struggling with their phone use. I also think we differ in that I believe this is very different from something like comic books or handwashing because it is a dynamic behavior. Algo's will only get better, and there is a nonzero chance we see an emergence of clinically addictive algorithms. If we completely invalidate the potential for addiction and harm now, it could lead to us turning a blind eye later on, and not having the means to treat people struggling with it until it is too late for many.

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@randaltd_ @fatal_strata_G @ErikThurman I don't think you read the post, thats not at all what I am saying.

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@TaylorLorenz Im not sure I understand, are you arguing that the influx of people reporting they struggle with phone or porn "addiction" is mostly due to being morally gaslit into believing they have one? Why cant we find the line between validating phone use issues and defending rights?

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Here is an example of what I am addressing. https://t.co/uGB5fnOcYJ

[Taylor Lorenz @TaylorLorenz]

You can develop maladaptive behaviors around any number of things. You can compulsively wash your hands, many do, but that doesn’t mean that soap is addictive. In fact, believing you’re addicted to social media makes it *harder* to moderate use. https://t.co/ldSIfelqvG

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@randaltd_ @fatal_strata_G @ErikThurman https://t.co/lfhiQQYxYb

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ATTENTION!!! STOP TELLING PEOPLE THAT PHONE ADDICTION ISN'T REAL!!!

I have seen a trend of addiction purists exclaiming that phone addiction is fake and to stop spreading misinfo.

I can acknowledge that:

NO there is not a chemical dependence or withdrawal aspect. NO there is not causal evidence for long term cognitive issues. NO there is not causal evidence of harm or dysfunction.

I understand that scrolling habits do not fit the clinical model of addiction. I understand that framing something as addictive creates self fulfilling prophecies.

HOWEVER

A significant amount of people FEEL addicted to their phone. Many people repeatedly try and fail to get control of their scrolling habits (just like an addiction). People subjectively report mental harm from scrolling. We do not need a robust evidence base to acknowledge that people feel something akin to addiction with their phone, even if they are describing something different from clinical addiction. Telling them what they are feeling is not real doesn't help anything.

We can and MUST find the line between pathologizing and validating issues with phone misuse/addiction. Especially because most people cannot afford to cold turkey the internet, people need the internet for their livelihood. Furthermore, we are not dealing with a stagnant substance or behavior. As algorithms and the ways in which we interface them evolve, we need systems to ensure we identify harmful ones, enforce transparency from entities creating them, and disseminate information accordingly.

THIS DOES NOT mean restricting what people can and can't do, it means widely disseminating the known risks (like cancer warnings on a cigarette carton). People have every right in the world to do what they please when they please with their phones, but they must be informed of any known risks.

So please, if you think you are addicted to your phone and it's destroying your brain, double check that the scary research headlines you see aren't just peer reviewed click bait (they almost always are). And if you are angry at people for pathologizing their phone habits, remember that a lack of evidence doesn't invalidate subjective experience.

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@cremieuxrecueil legal insanity alone is not a great predictor of violence (criminal history and substance abuse are much stronger). Either way this just confuses blame with risk and misses the purpose of the justice system.

[knower @knowerofmarkets]

"Why don't people like AI? Why does everyone hate tech bros? Why don't they want the data centers?"

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Hugging Face incident bf, Lindsay Clancy trial gf

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https://t.co/IWZrYHkD7t

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made a site to help us track questions like this on much shorter time frames.

Answer the poll, see the results, check back next month to see how your own and others vibes shifted on AI. (link below)

[roon @tszzl]

are models more or less aligned than one year ago

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@knowerofmarkets thank you knower of MarkeTS

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https://t.co/CJFR4Jqxhi

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A thread of my personal favorite questions:

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https://t.co/F3xk5VMrfH