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[ashoba @abobashova]

@VakivaR18 You can make your claims that they are lying about their goals and intentions, sure. Then just call them liars and thieves; and if they are liars and thieves, name them, specifically. You are presupposing a goal that is too specific (and wrong) on a category too broad.

[ashoba @abobashova]

@VakivaR18 Nothing is wrong with the idea of continuing an institution that has provided stability for decades over a new institution that is untested. It is the question whether it will still provide stability with changing moral caliber. Applying the is/ought fallacy to this is dishonest.

[ashoba @abobashova]

@VakivaR18 You have a very specific and weird definition of conservatism despite it’s traditional use.

Conservatism’s goal is the maintenance of social stability. That is all.

Stalin might be ‘Conservative’ but that doesn’t make him less of a leftist.

[ashoba @abobashova]

@Reasonablevril You’re doing it again, you assume you are fighting with a Christian and attack but never flesh out your own theology.

I’m agnostic and you are retarded.

[ashoba @abobashova]

@Reasonablevril Neo-Pagan larp can only survive by doing battle with e-Christians apparently.

[ashoba @abobashova]

@SonOfZeusApollo Google: Plague of Justinian.

[ashoba @abobashova]

@PowerNumberUno Child of the Kingdom of France maybe, not any French Republic/Monarchy after. Once you get a Legitimist back in power we can start talking.

[ashoba @abobashova]

@RiannTravis They might not perfectly share the same idea, but they are similar enough to be lumped together as the ‘left’.

You are trying to section off leftism as its own thing and don’t understand that the term is used to describe a coalition of alike ideas.

[ashoba @abobashova]

@RiannTravis Liberals and socialists only have opposing positions when it comes to economy. You don’t disagree on the end result, but the method.

Together you share ideals of political/social equality, popular sovereignty, universal rights, etc.

Meanwhile the right rejects these premises.

[ashoba @abobashova]

@RiannTravis Socialism is built on liberal assumptions, no right wing ideology is the same.

Capitalism is literally the only exception. Even so, liberalism has been the means that socialists have been able to reform or dismantle capitalism.

How could I ever think of liberalism as leftist?

[ashoba @abobashova]

@RiannTravis An American understanding is all I need, I have an idea of the principles that make up a ‘Left’ movement and I know which political factions profess them.

Why does it need to complicated?
The average voter is an idiot, and that doesn’t just go for Americans.

[ashoba @abobashova]

@RiannTravis What is the cause of this perspective I have of liberalism then?

If you just deny all that is said without explanation or your own interpretation of events, it is meaningless to continue conversation.

[ashoba @abobashova]

@RiannTravis I’ve laid bare by interpretations on the ‘left’. If you don’t accept the perspective, I hope you understand that it is definitely not ‘right’.

I get it that you don’t want to be lumped together with the massive failure that has been liberalism, sure. We will not agree though.

[ashoba @abobashova]

@RiannTravis Despite your belief in an intense specification, ‘left’ and ‘right’ are a generalization. The broad ideals and principles that are historically associated with the left are related to liberalism (as well as socialism).

The distinction is understood, but not relevant.

[ashoba @abobashova]

@RiannTravis You can say liberals are a part of the center, but that’s just a testament to how the paradigm has shifted. Liberalism may be the status quo, but it is undeniably left wing.

[ashoba @abobashova]

@RiannTravis That is true.

Liberals tho have always been left. Even if you disagree, most self-described liberals these decades share the same policy direction as socialists. They actively promote and pander to such causes, only backing down when significant right-wing opposition arises.

[ashoba @abobashova]

@RiannTravis No one believes this except communists like yourself who can’t grapple that their policies suck ass.

Social Democracy is left wing, maybe less left wing than what you believe would bring utopia, but is so nonetheless.

Ascribing that nationalization is capitalism is retarded.

[ashoba @abobashova]

@hamon79092 You say that like we are all active participants, no normal person in America gives a crap about the middle east. The ones who are vocal in support of Israel are paid to do so or are boomers who have an obsession with surpassing the greatness of their parent’s generation.

[ashoba @abobashova]

@MAva633591 You are just describing the American Southeast 2/3rds of the year.