Took over a team that finished with 56 pts that immediately got to the ECF and to the SCF three years later is. That is, quite literally, the definition of getting the team to the next level.
Am I missing something?
@AJTornado1011@KratosKilla@AUggaman532 He drafted half of them, so "most" is wrong by definition. Timonen and Pronger were their two best players during the Cup run with Briere as a close third.
So...
And what about the 06 playoffs when a fully healthy roster got man handled by the Sabres? Largely the same roster that started 06/07? Running it back with Esche as the starter in 06/07 was grounds to be aweful alone.
The first 12 months of Holmgren were magic.
@ADiMarco25 Yes, youโre missing that their best players missed a qtr of the season and they traded Forsberg when it happened. And again, they were 42-40 in 08.
@ADiMarco25 In a vacuum it was a great trade for the Flyers they ended up with more overall skill in the deal, where it hurt them was Briere was in the 18th hole of his career and having a younger skilled 2C to play behind Giroux would have been ideal, also makes Scheen a W full time
The worst team in franchise history with a goalie tandem of Esche/Niittymaki is a mess in my book.
Also, a late 1st RD pick that ended up being Jonathon Blum is not an overpay to get the rights to Timonen and Hartnell and having them avoid going to market, imo.
@purestofbois@ADiMarco25 Carter and Richards both missed a qtr of the season the yr before and they traded Forsberg. He didnโt inherit a mess. He had a solid core to piece around. He overpaid for Hartnell/Timonen. Briere signing & Coburn/Carle trades were fine.
@charlieo_conn 1st half Holmgren resulted in the funnest era of Flyers' hockey of my lifetime.
Low standard? Perhaps, but they were a perennial threat in the Eastern Conference between the '05 and '12 lockouts.
Clarke's constructed roster? He added Upshall, Briere, Biron, Timonen, Smith, Coburn, Hartnell and Lupul (to say nothing of depth guys like Dowd, Thoresen and Modry) to the '08 team after he took over from Clarke.
He completely overhauled that team in 12 months after Clarke.
@ADiMarco25 Also, @ADiMarco25 - first yr he took over, Flyers get to ECF on Clarkeโs constructed team. And if he built such a great roster in 2010, why did it take clinching a spot on the last day, a 3-0 miracle comeback vs Boston and the 8th Canadiens to knock off all the good teams?
@JeffSi5000 I'm not suggesting it was better but they should've traded Carter for a goalie the year before they traded him for what they did.
But yes, the eventual return was a lot better even though they had a flawed roster.
You're right, those two trades (and the summer of '12) was amazing in a vacuum.
But that doesn't change the fact that he never fixed the goaltending - tho Steve Mason is a lot better than we give him credit for - and hitched his wagon to two 35 (+) yr old defensemen.
As for the '10 team, Emery was the starter and got hurt in February. After that Leighton was the starter and was hurt until Game 5 vs Boston.
Stability in net would've changed a lot in the first three games vs Boston.
I wouldn't say it was the first domino - it was the Pronger injury - but I agree with the roster construction part.
After the acquisition of Voracek, Schenn and Simmonds along with already having Giroux, Briere and JVR they should've drafted Dougie Hamilton instead of Couturier.
@ADiMarco25 Good value. Bad results. First domino in the proverbial death of the team. Locked them into fatally flawed roster construction from the beginning with no viable 2C to play behind giroux.