“If by Christian you mean adhering to the historic, orthodox faith defined by the early Church and expressed in the Nicene Creed, then the Catholic, Orthodox and Protestant would agree that Mormonism is not Christian.”
Members of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saint would agree too. We reject the Nicene Creed which was a written hundreds of years after the life of Christ.
“The question is not about whether Mormons revere Jesus. It is that LDS theology teaches doctrines about God that are fundamentally different from what is accepted by all other Christians.”
No, it’s about some Christians gatekeeping the title of Christian and trying to define it as something other being a disciple and follower of Jesus Christ.
“E.g. God the Father having a physical body”
Correct.
“not always having been divine; “
That is not in our doctrine, there is speculation by some but it is not our doctrine.
“the Father, Son and Holy Spirit being three separate beings rather than one God in three person;”
Correct, just like when Jesus was baptised,and the Holy Spirit descended like a dove and the Father spoke, saying “This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.”
“Jesus not being co-eternal; “
Not doctrine
“the Spirit not being co-eternal;”
Not doctrine and as a side note the first time I’ve heard that one.
“Mormons becoming gods through exaltation”
Yes, there is that potential for any child of God
“with their own planets to rule over; “
Nope, not doctrine.
“a Great Apostasy in which the historic Church ceased to exist anywhere on Earth.”
Yes, the priesthood authority of the Church disappeared from the Earth after the death of the Apostles.
“From the perspective of the orthodox Christian, it’s simply a completely different God.”
Yes, I would agree, I believe in a God that is loving and merciful, that wouldn’t condemn His children to hell for not being baptised because they didn’t hear of the gospel in this life.
Je me suis longtemps passionné pour la psychologie, et une période m'obsède plus que toutes les autres.
L'après-guerre.
Le moment où des chercheurs se sont posé la question la plus dérangeante du siècle: comment l'Allemagne nazie avait-elle transformé des pères de famille ordinaires en bourreaux de camp?
La réponse, ils ne l'ont pas trouvée chez des monstres. Ils l'ont trouvée chez des hommes parfaitement banals.
Hannah Arendt a appelé ça la banalité du mal. L'historien Christopher Browning, en étudiant le bataillon de réserve 101 (des policiers d'âge mûr, des pères, des commerçants), a montré que ce ne sont pas des fanatiques qui ont fusillé des civils, mais des hommes normaux incapables de désobéir au cadre dominant.
Puis vint Milgram. À Yale, environ deux tiers de gens ordinaires ont infligé ce qu'ils croyaient être des décharges mortelles, simplement parce qu'une autorité en blouse blanche le leur ordonnait. L'expérience de la prison de Stanford a montré la même chose sous un autre angle: donnez à quelqu'un un rôle et un cadre, et il s'y conformera jusqu'à l'inhumain.
La leçon n'est pas allemande. Elle est humaine.
Le mécanisme s'active dès qu'un cadre moral dominant fait craindre la sanction sociale plus que ne compte le témoignage de ses propres yeux. L'individu cesse de voir ce qu'il voit. Il voit ce que le cadre l'autorise à voir.
Maintenant, regardez Southampton.
Henry Nowak, 18 ans, poignardé, allongé au sol, répète aux policiers « j'ai été poignardé », « je ne peux plus respirer ».
Réponse de l'officier: « I don't think you have, mate. »
Pendant ce temps, son meurtrier retourne la situation d'une phrase: il aurait été victime d'une agression raciste. Quatre mots ont suffi pour déplacer le soupçon de l'agresseur vers la victime.
Et l'officier a obéi. Pas à un ordre. À un cadre.
Un cadre qui lui a appris, pendant des années, qu'une plainte pour racisme est l'accusation la plus dangereuse de sa carrière. Plus dangereuse, dans son réflexe conditionné, qu'un corps qui se vide de son sang devant lui.
Exactement le mécanisme de Milgram, de Browning. Un homme normal qui cesse de croire ses propres yeux parce qu'un cadre moral lui a appris ce qu'il devait craindre.
C'est précisément ça qui me terrifie.
Souvenez-vous: le monde entier s'est agenouillé pour quatre mots, « I can't breathe ». Des entreprises, des gouvernements, des stades entiers.
Henry a prononcé les mêmes mots, en train de mourir. Il n'y aura ni genou à terre, ni hashtag, ni minute de silence.
Parce que sa mort ne sert pas le cadre. Elle le contredit.
Et un système qui apprend à une société entière à faire passer l'accusation de racisme avant les faits, avant le corps, avant la vie, n'est pas une posture morale inoffensive.
C'est une machine à fabriquer des hommes qui, face à un enfant en train de mourir, choisissent les menottes.
No man is harmed when women have single sex spaces, sports, and services that exclude all men.
The motivations of any man who advocates to destroy those provisions for women can only be malignant response to the freedoms and autonomy women enjoy because of them.
Please retweet these crystallisations of the problem.
As a lawyer I never dreamt I’d be fined and censured for doing exactly what the profession is sworn to do, advise the client and represent their lawful interests without fear or favour, simply because the committee disliked the client’s cause.
As Chair of the Free Speech Union I’d expected lawyers to feel bound to defend freedom of speech against state power and suppression. I’d expected the profession to assert the lawyer’s role for beleaguered causes in defending equality before the law (a critical element of the rule of law we are obliged to serve).
It is clear the profession has been captured by ideologues for whom fashionable cause indoctrination trumps other values.
They must lose their powers to intimidate
@FiredUpCoug I only wish I had see the movie before reading the book. Part of my brain just couldn’t help but do a constant comparison between the two.
Okay so we’ve moved from the first step of “it’s not happening” to “it’s only happening a little bit”.
Want another well publicised case?
https://t.co/Z9aHzNjDbW
Or
https://t.co/X7rjZ2ToVb
Those are only the cases that have hit the headlines.
Check out https://t.co/QnL4XnKHIU for the thousands of instances of males stealing medals, prizes, scholarships and places from females.
I doubt any of this will convince you to change your position. I sincerely hope your daughters will never have to deal with it. Thankfully, there many women fighting to restore women’s sex based right so your daughters won’t have to.
@roadrunner9791@LDS_Dems So Lia Thomas never happened? You have your head buried in the sand if you think that women’s sex-based rights are not under attack.
@DarnoldsGhosts@LDS_Dems Not a cogent argument against my statement that Trump’s election has put the brakes on the USA’s descent into a censorious socialist hellhole. There is hope that at least one country in the West might avoid it, I am just not so certain about the others.
A statement regarding your support of free markets was not an exactly cogent argument against Trump’s election putting the brakes for at least the USA’s descent into a censorious, socialist hell hole.
Part of that hell hole looming before the West is the wholesale loss of women’s sex-based rights.
Do you believe that if Kamala had won that women would have been free to push back on trans ideology that has robbed them of single sex spaces, that promotes child genital mutilation, the decimation of women’s sport, and allows males to be jailed with women?
That’s great, good for you.
Do you believe that if Kamala had won that women would have been free to push back on trans ideology that has robbed them of single sex spaces, that promotes child genital mutilation, the decimation of women’s sport, and allows males to be jailed with women?