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[A_guy @AgentXtra2008]

@Neosonic97 @khazarAntlers

[A_guy @AgentXtra2008]

@Neosonic97 @khazarAntlers So don’t use it beyond that fight. It’s a free pass for a hard fight that’s a gamble in most runs for 0 opportunity cost. It’s not like Johto’s early game is hard, you don’t need a mon to jumpstart you like in others. And once you do need them, it’s late into the game so it’s Np

[A_guy @AgentXtra2008]

@Neosonic97 @khazarAntlers Yeah but to that I say. Why not just use one of the plentiful better water types? It’s not like they’re hard to come by. Most also learn Ice Moves like Gatr. You can rig your encounters to find a Tentacool for example

[A_guy @AgentXtra2008]

@Neosonic97 @khazarAntlers I would agree for other games. But the Johto starters are so mid I box them by Morty. Gatr doesn’t get really any good water moves for a PHY attacker until E4. I cannot think of a single fight you want Fire. Rita is the just the only one that actually does something irreplaceable

[A_guy @AgentXtra2008]

@Neosonic97 @khazarAntlers Lum outs para and Tank likely OHKO the frail Bel. Yeah, it’s got it’s one thing but it’s better to be the best at smth than the 8th bes. Gatr and Typlhosion aren’t good mons that your missing out on and in return you don’t have to think about arguably the hardest fight before E4

[A_guy @AgentXtra2008]

@Neosonic97 @khazarAntlers It’s definitely not fast but Reflect + Synthesis means you can definitely outlive it. You gotta tons of time Poision Powder through Lum and if you got a growl user, reflect provides a clean switch to start nerfing it to the ground. It’s the cleanest strat to out Miltank

[A_guy @AgentXtra2008]

@Neosonic97 @khazarAntlers Onix doesn’t work, I’ve tried. It just doesn’t do enough damage, get’s out paced. Geodude is ok, could work, but also just not enough damage to kill fast and is prone to getting Crit. Heracross is near impossible. You gotta get lucky on one route that you hit the right tree

[A_guy @AgentXtra2008]

@Neosonic97 @khazarAntlers I mean yeah but like worst case scenario, you don’t get one, Falkner is still beatable with just the normal rodents, you don’t lose anything by picking the insta-out to Whitney

[A_guy @AgentXtra2008]

@Neosonic97 @khazarAntlers You don’t really care about Water and Ice in the early game. It isn’t until near E4 where the types come up. By then you’ve likely fished up a Magikarp. And even still you can get a Vaporeon, who is another mon who does it better.

[A_guy @AgentXtra2008]

@Neosonic97 @khazarAntlers You don’t even have to stall if you got multiple. Unless RNGsus hates you and he lands multiple hypnosis’ in a row

[A_guy @AgentXtra2008]

@Neosonic97 @khazarAntlers You can play around Sucker Punch. As for sleep, simply don’t get hit and if you do, swap to a nonsleep mon and your sleep mon to stall out Dream Eater. That’s only assuming you somehow only have one normal, slow mon. You can solo his gym with Raticate bc how bad his team is

[A_guy @AgentXtra2008]

@Neosonic97 @khazarAntlers You can beat Falkner with Sentret and Ratatta assuming you didn’t get a rock in the cave before his gym. And if you didn’t get Quag there’s still tons of waters that can do what Gatr does bc Water is the most common type. A water that knows an Ice move isn’t that hard to find

[A_guy @AgentXtra2008]

@Neosonic97 @khazarAntlers Rattata counters Morty, Morty is the easiest gym in the entire game given that he cannot hit Normal Types if you know what you’re doing

[A_guy @AgentXtra2008]

@MadiJadeAudio For those unaware. Johto is the only line of games where fights can get weaker as you go on. You will go from lv30 mons to being drastically overleveled for the next segment, making a lot of the fights “Pressing A” Simulator. Pryce, the seventh Gym leader is weaker than the Sixth

[A_guy @AgentXtra2008]

@Neosonic97 @khazarAntlers You lose nothing by picking Rita. Gatr’s role can be played by a majority of water types, some even better than him. But by picking Gatr or Cyndiqul, you lose a good out to the probably the hardest early game fight, all for pokemon that could’ve been easily replaced in a Rita run

[A_guy @AgentXtra2008]

@Neosonic97 @khazarAntlers Quag can beat Jasmine by itself. Quag is better into Clair. Quag is good into brock bc it hits the fossils for SE where Gatr doesn’t, good into surge, Janine, and Blaine. I can’t think of anything Gatr has than he hits a bit harder. Which is my point, Gatr is easily replaced

[A_guy @AgentXtra2008]

@Neosonic97 @khazarAntlers My point is that Morty is an incredibly easy fight. His only way to hit normal types is Sucker Punch which can be cheesed around and I think he has some sleep shenanigans but I could be misremembering. A single normal type and some guys to switch around to shake off curse can win

[A_guy @AgentXtra2008]

@Lili65err I can’t explain it, but Monica reminds me of Hugbees when I look at her

[A_guy @AgentXtra2008]

@Neosonic97 @khazarAntlers Morty can be beat by 1 Aipom. Saying your an out to Morty isn’t much

[A_guy @AgentXtra2008]

@Neosonic97 @khazarAntlers The reason I believe Quag to be better than Gatr, is that Quag does more. Quag has more coverage and if it has Water Absorb it’s a good pivot. Sure Gatr can kill Steelix easy, but it’s not like Quag struggles to kill. Quag can near solo where Gatr needs other mons to cover it