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Justice Thomas:
"Men and boys with gender dysphoria are not women or girls, even if they believe that they are. Sex is an immutable 'biological' characteristic...it is binary."
"To use language to obscure reality—to show 'indifference regarding the truth'—is to lie to the public..."
@INDEEDHeIsRisen@haymes_joshua This Thread started with you saying that the Orthodox Church was demonstrably the soul claimant to Apostolic christianity. And here I'm asking you to demonstrate exactly that. Demonstrate to me that your church is "the real one" and how all the other churches are fake.
@INDEEDHeIsRisen@haymes_joshua Again, how? By what Authority do you claim that the Gates of Heaven are locked to me? Stated differently, why should I believe you when you claim to be a member of the one true church and not the papists, or the Oriental orthodox, or the nestorians?
@INDEEDHeIsRisen@haymes_joshua Again, what is the biblical justification for this? You said that the historical church and the apostles taught the same thing. So I would expect the apostles to have said something on the matter. We worship Christ and follow God's word, so how are we not christians?
@INDEEDHeIsRisen@haymes_joshua I actually do listen to the teachings of the church, just not your church. Again where is it in the Bible that I'm not a Christian because I don't venerate icons?
@INDEEDHeIsRisen@haymes_joshua Again, weird that it is a basic matter of reality but was never taught by the apostles. How do the apostles say that I'm not a Christian because I don't venerate icons?
@INDEEDHeIsRisen@haymes_joshua Then show me where the apostles taught icon veneration. Not an instance where people might have given honor to an object, but where do the apostles say that "The respect given to the image passes to the thing depicted"?
@INDEEDHeIsRisen@haymes_joshua If the historical view of the church does not comport with what the apostles taught then I have no need of it. As Paul said in Galatians 1:8 even if an angel preaches a contrary gospel, he is to be cursed.
@INDEEDHeIsRisen@haymes_joshua Except the ark actually housed the presence of God. (Exodus 25:8) To the point where touching it killed a man. (2 Samuel 6:6-7) furthermore when Joshua bowed to ark that was a one-time thing, not something that people of Israel were commanded to do generally. (See Leviticus)
@INDEEDHeIsRisen@haymes_joshua Earlier you said of iconography that "The respect given to the image passes to the thing depicted." Are you advocating that it was a function of the ark to transfer worship to itself? Also I think the word you're looking for there is reverence.
@INDEEDHeIsRisen@haymes_joshua Something can't be an icon of itself. The Ark of the Covenant held the actual presence of God. You can't say that something is the genuine article and simultaneously an emblematic substitute for itself. The face coverings of Paul seem irrelevant as they were never venerated.
@INDEEDHeIsRisen@haymes_joshua The Ark of the Covenant was not an icon, it actually housed the presence of god. To the point where touching it killed a man. If you can touch your icons with your hands and live then they are nothing like the Ark of the covenant.
@INDEEDHeIsRisen@haymes_joshua Weird that something that "permeates all of reality" is somehow nowhere in the Bible. Also the intentions of the venerator passing to the thing venerated is how pagans described their idols.
@INDEEDHeIsRisen@haymes_joshua No one believed those decorations were to be venerated though. I've never seen one example in the OT of veneration. It didn't become a widely accepted church practice until second Council of Nicea, which cited a forged letter from Jesus in its council.