Aaron Labrecque

Orthodox Christian
AL West Champion Mariners fan
Cal Raleigh Apologist
trys to write
Read my book on Royal Road

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@quicklime696969 @MemoryMedieval A great choice, one of the best-writing modern historians IMO.

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@pureMetatron

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@PitchingNinja Glad to see Hancock getting some love. Injuries derailed him for several years, and I thought he'd never become more than a #6-7 type starter, or settle for a BP role. This year proved all of us wrong. Probably deserves an All Star nod.

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@SDDonovan Are these people it says you have unfollowed, but you didn't? And they've unfollowed you too? Were you muted?

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@japan_nobunaga I love a good, long, relaxing bath, but that is not the norm in America, nor is it something I do often. Its a special treat, not a nightly ritual.

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@MyaView2 @adelethelaptop What does this have to do with whether or not the Church Christ founded stayed visible or not throughout history? If it did our responsibility is to find and join it. If not, Christ is a liar. Which is it?

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@MyaView2 @adelethelaptop Do you have a point or are you throwing Bible verses out there hoping something sticks? No one is disputing that Christ is the foundation and rock of the Church.

Stay on topic or we are done.

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You do not get to make up word meanings. Ekklesia has structure, intent, and is visible as I explained in a previous post. You are literally making crap up to justify the lack of your church for the first 1500 years of Christian history. Maybe Grok's explanation will help you:
Ekklesia means "called-out assembly" — the group of people Jesus calls together to follow Him. It's the New Testament word for "church."
Visible or Invisible?
Mostly visible.The early ekklesia was a real, identifiable group you could see and join. People met together, got baptized, shared meals (Lord’s Supper), helped the poor, and were known in their cities. It wasn’t just invisible “true believers in their hearts.”
Form and Structure — or a Mob?
It had clear structure and leadership, not a mob.
Apostles → elders/overseers (bishops) → deacons.

Local leaders were appointed in every city (see Acts 14:23, Titus 1:5, 1 Timothy 3).
There were rules for orderly meetings (1 Corinthians 14). It was like an organized family, not chaos.
Designated Meeting Spots?
Not like modern church buildings at first. They met in:

Homes (house churches — very common)
Rivers (for baptisms)

Sometimes larger rented halls or Jewish synagogues early on.
No single “church building” until later, but regular gatherings in specific places.
Protestant “Completely Invisible” Idea?

Partial justification, but overstated.The “invisible church” concept (all true believers everywhere, known only to God) is biblical in the sense that only God knows every heart perfectly. However, the idea that the early church had no visible form or structure is hard to defend from the New Testament itself or the writings of Christians right after the apostles. The Reformation emphasized it to push back against corrupt visible institutions, which was understandable at the time, but the actual early ekklesia was both visible and structured.

Maybe Grok can help you. @grok Explain like I am five years old. Is Ekklesia visible or invisible? Does it have form and structure or is it a leaderless mob? Did it have regular meeting spaces for worship? is the protestant notion that it was completely invisible for 1500 years justifiable from the Bible, Christian writings, archeology, etc.?

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@MyaView2 @adelethelaptop Does the church remain to this day, unchanged and unbroken, visible throughout history?

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@HermioneGann @PriestKristoph @John_markos_ Sometimes it is best to love and honor someone from a distance. Pray for healing for all of you.
Your priests know your situation, they can give the best advice for you.

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@SantaDecides You even ratio'd the ratio! 🤣

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@shegone03 Who wouldn't is the proper question.

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@harukaawake @petrogustavo Yes they do, once Dear Leader gets into power and doesn't need them anymore--with a little acute lead poisoning.

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Logic Chopping fallacy. You are still avoiding the issue at hand. It is at worst a pious custom with limited and late historical documentation, and possibly true, given the date overlaps of his birth and the Crucifiction.
Let's try answering the actual question. Did the Church apostatize BEFORE all the Apostles were dead?

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It is scripture. The apostles used the LXX OT, which included it. Justin Martyr complains of the Jews changing their scripture in Dialogues with Trypho. Early Church fathers quoted it as scripture--same method the books of the NT were discerned. Church used it for 1500 years before Luther removed it cause he got his panties in a twist. It dared to disagree with him.

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@HansFiene

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Even the quick range Grok provides--hardly the highest quality source but quick--provides an age range that overlaps Christ.

So, how do you know? And how does this change what he and the others wrote? You are avoiding the big picture by focusing on my belief of a pious tradition with some historical documentation.

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Muslims have Christ in their Koran too. Does that make them Christian as well?
Just because they have someone in their scripture with the same name does not make it the same person. You are not supposed to add or subtract from Scripture, the Mormons did. Their version of Christ is not the same as the one found in the Bible. They are at best LARPing.

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@MyaView2 @adelethelaptop And you know this because...