@krullcalibur it's not necessarily impossible, but if grrm intentionally wrote a metaphor about theon's anxiety, i don't think it makes sense to puncture it immediately with laughter
@krullcalibur i think the dany argument is the strongest argument in favour of ned not killing theon but i don't think it destroys the idea that he could
@krullcalibur i don't disagree with you with jon lol dumb as fuck for ned to do, but i think it has more character logic. considering how many parallels grrm sets up with ned & theon it doesn't make very much sense for him to just forget
@krullcalibur sure but then rather than: theon hands ned a sword > represents the execution that looks over them both, it becomes theon hands ned a sword > theon isn't anxious in that scene > it represents his anxiety about it anyway > the laughing is a characterisation choice*
@krullcalibur jon's issue makes more sense bc he knows cat wouldn't want him in winterfell and obviously ned can't take him to king's landing, while theon's just seems like avoiding an awkward conversation
@krullcalibur i do agree with you to some extent, but i think the larger argument is stronger than the sum of its parts. it's not exactly the same in every case but when there's multiple examples that you can point out... it feels like the author is making a point
@krullcalibur we first meet him unjustly (although he technically doesn't know that) executing a night's watch deserter. he executes lady unjustly. they're very obviously not equivalent to an actual child but you gotta notice when a central motif of ned is unjust execution
@krullcalibur imo theon laughing immediately afterwards makes it symbolism regarding their relationship as opposed to theon's own anxieties. just framing wise i don't see why that choice would be made if it's meant to be about theon's anxieties
@krullcalibur i would agree with you if we didn't have his internal monologue where he doesn't think of or particularly sympathise with theon. the only example is him telling cat to keep "careful watch" over him. in the same book where jon questions if ned would execute benjen for desertion.
@krullcalibur i mean... with cersei's children he kind of acknowledges that robert will hunt them for as long as they live but considers his friend's dynastic rights as more important than his clearly abused wife. he'll go further than most characters but i don't think he's unicef
@krullcalibur plus within ned's own internal monologue he's extremely distant towards theon and theon himself describes cold behaviour. i just can't come to the conclusion that ned couldn't have killed theon