Bob King

[Bob King @AnotherBob]

I had about 30% remaining this morning and decided to go all in. I have been using bot with abandon all day today, no reservations and no throttling from my side. All business process stuff, general VA work and standing up an obsidian librarian later this afternoon. Over the weekend, this would have been impossible due to intelligence deficits, and even if bot could have thought its way out of a wet paper bag, the token spen would have burned me by lunch.

At this point, I am seeing incredible token efficiency compared to 24h ago and the intelligence is back. Bot is good to go for me.

Kudos to @mattyp @poteto @bot and the entire not team. Thanks for the reset, BTW.

[Bob King @AnotherBob]

One of the highest leverage tools you could offer is a dead simple Grok Bot Engineering 101 walking people through the stand up of bots for non-coding purposes. Show us the canonical way to build a bot and its associated workflows to minimize token spend. Not a video or a prompt, but the engineering thought process you use to build a proper bot. Then extend it to a team. Help us help you.

[Bob King @AnotherBob]

@poteto @aiDotEngineer @bot HI, Lauren. I don't mean to say the emperor has no clothes, but did you not see X re: grok bot over the weekend?

[Bob King @AnotherBob]

@WaitWhat Same. On Ultra.

[Bob King @AnotherBob]

@IvankoListen @0xAlan_ @poteto I don’t use cursor. This is grok bot using cursor “on my behalf,” ergo, this is grok bot usage.

[Bob King @AnotherBob]

First, let me begin by saying thank you for creating an actual working project. I began the "AI assistant" journey when OpenClaw blew up, then, after seeing the pains of that platform, went through well over a dozen iterations of Hermes.

Everything I tried started well, then devolved into either a small child with memory issues or a digital meth addict spinning out of control and stealing every token in the house just to chase whatever mythical dragon just manifested in the response.

I picked up Grok Bot a little over a month ago, figured out I couldn't make it work on my X Premium+ sub, then bit the bullet and bought a Cursor sub, then unified. I cancelled my OpenAI sub about three weeks ago, finally confident I had a real "partner" I could trust.

Grok Bot was actually able to help me manage business life on the road (live events camera engineer, you've seen my work all over the tech space at the big conferences), keep my home life in order, and, probably most importantly, manage my health better than ever. It really was like having a human on the other side of the screen.

I went through several "build" phases where I expected token spend to be high and lulls where it was just "Tuesday." I accepted that I would have to manage usage because compute is a finite resource and I am not paying for a Red Lobster Endless Shrimp of inference. That's just part of being a grown up living the dream.

Then, the usage that I had been managing suddenly became unmanageable. No matter how much I tried to optimize (I push everything I can off to deterministic scripts on a linux box, leveraging things like JEV for email triage, bookkeeping and anything else I can find a ruleset to apply), the usage meter just kept getting faster and faster. This absolutely started with the infamous Elon tweet. Mark that line on the calendar. It happened. Full Stop.

While I could optimize to an extent and force my self to accept a limited inference budget, the thing that made me shut down my entire team was the abysmal intelligence that crept in over the past three days. The only thing operating now is a single routine on my Dr. Eggbot searching for any trending positive Grok Bot change on X.

I tend to blame myself for bad prompting or workflow design when I don't get the correct results, but yesterday I asked my pony tail guy to implement a simple write enabled script for quickbooks so the bookkeeper could create an estimate for me to convert to an invoice. almost three and a half hours later, it was still failing. It felt like I was using Cline in VSCode two years ago. I shut the team down and that is my current state.

Now, for my asks from the Grok Bot team:
1. Get some ground truth - set up an account with a real $200 subscription and have it manage email, calendar, todo list, a simple set of books, a simple project register with things like travel, time sheets, and crew lists, add in a health coach and a household manager. Don't forget to include a CoS, SecOps guy, PTG and Dr. Eggbot. Then show us how to make this work reliably in a canonical fashion within budget.
2. Tell us how to do this the proper way - create a real set of implementation documentation for the 99% of the world that doesn't consist of coders or AI slop posting influencers.
3. Remember who the bulk of your users *will* be - consider everything from the perspective of a user who works on a limited budget and deals with the real world. While I have, as a fun little excursion, had Grok Bot place a voice call to find a location to recycle a lithium battery pack, I need to be able to do actual business and life operations more than waste inference ordering coffee.
4. Be transparent - the most serious complaint I have seen over the past week has been the lack of transparency about what we are buying, what we are getting, what is happening and what to expect. We are all adults (or should act like adults anyway) and we can make decisions. But, just like a model, we can't make a good decision without proper context.
5. Communicate - if there are going to be platform changes (operational, financial, features, capabilities) that possibly negatively impact us, say so ahead of time. We, the users, not only invest our money, we also invest our time. And, in my world where two of every three days is spent on the road, time is a very, very valuable resource. If we are going to send money and spend time, the least we should get from the team is a timely heads-up about upcoming changes. It's just good manners.

Please extend my gratitude to the entire Grok Bot team. I have seen what the product can be. It is a completely different league from everything else I have seen.

I look forward to the next magical experience that becomes the new normal. Thanks.

[Bob King @AnotherBob]

@pvieito @poteto @mattyp I honestly am starting to believe they want to dump as many users as possible so they can EOL the product. Probably can't find a way to make it profitable or, at the least, break even. Sad.

[Bob King @AnotherBob]

@ryantyre @gatorgar Almost feels like they are trying to sour the milk, dump users and declare it a dead product. I think the cost to run it on real world tasks with real world users was way more than they ever anticipated.

[Bob King @AnotherBob]

@ryantyre @gatorgar for reference, $160M / mo = almost 2 Falcon 9 launches per month. Grok Bot revenue is somewhere between 10 and 24 launches per year. That ain't chump change.

[Bob King @AnotherBob]

I just gave my eggbot instructions to shut down the team pending material improvement of the grok bot platform because it failed for over three hours to implement a simple email script. If there has not been material improvement indicated by user posts on X by Nov 12, I will cancel my sub and move elsewhere.

Meanwhile, @elon, @poteto, @mattyp, @bot: This is a result of two things: 1. You nerfed the product. 2. You ghosted us. The "rug pull" could have been swallowed if you had only communicated.

You chose silence, so, users are voting with their feet. Please change our minds.

[Bob King @AnotherBob]

@0xAlan_ @elonmusk

[Bob King @AnotherBob]

@ADHDwithAI Just saw this and it explains a lot. Grok 4.7, unless some tuning has happened, was the impetus for using the "best model" for the job. Hopefully it portends grok 4.8, but with the silent treatment we've all been getting, I am not betting the farm on it.
@bot @poteto @mattyp

[Bob King @AnotherBob]

@zaneccampbell Grok Bot was the best hire I've ever made. Then, overnight, it became a consultant that bills by the call from its private island and expenses all the sat phone fees.

[The Refined Populist @RefinedPopulist]

Every GOP strategist, consultant, and candidate should be forced to participate in a role-playing exercise this morning.

Your name is Bob. You’re a 49-year-old blue-collar worker in Ohio. You’ve always struggled to make ends meet. The good jobs were all shipped to China and the few remaining pay a pittance wage, undercut by endless illegal labor.

You’re a 3x Trump voter because you believed he would finally make America great again.

You put your son through Ohio State. He graduated cum laude in computer science. You couldn’t have been prouder. After months searching, he landed an entry-level job at Microsoft. Beneath his qualifications, but a good start for a smart kid.

Then he got laid off. That same month, Microsoft applied for 150,000 more H-1B visas because it can’t find qualified Americans.

Your son has spent six months back in his childhood bedroom, sending hundreds of applications without landing an interview.

On TV, Trump boasts about the greatest economy in history and how many women and minorities are finding jobs.

You decide a father-son steak night might cheer him up.

Gas is $4.50 a gallon. Filling your truck costs over $100. At Kroger, ribeyes are $30/lb. You settle for hamburger, even though 70/30 ground beef still costs $10+.

At checkout, a fat black woman is screaming at the cashier because her EBT will only cover most of the filet mignon and lobster in her cart.

You think to yourself how the Iran war has made everything expensive, but at least we’re stopping their nuclear bomb. You weren’t even sure where Iran was before you googled it after we first bombed them in March.

After dinner, you take your son to the county fair. Half the people aren’t speaking English. Virtually none of the crowd looks like you. You’re forced to leave early after a “teen takeover” turns violent. A foreign born judge pledges none of them will go to jail.

Back home, you turn on the TV. Vivek Ramaswamy is lecturing the crowd about American mediocrity and why Ohio needs more foreign talent.

Your son grows upset. You change the channel.

Now a Republican surrogate, the daughter of a governor or wife of an elderly billionaire, explains that young White men are the REAL welfare queens. They’d rather play videogames in their parents’ basements than work.

Your son says nothing. He just goes back to his childhood bedroom. You turn off the TV.

Then your neighbor starts blasting reggaeton and cracking open Modelos. He brought his cousin’s family from Mexico to help with all the minority-business contracts his construction firm keeps winning. Tonight they’re celebrating his nephew’s birth, the family’s first birthright American citizen.

You sit alone in your living room.

You worked hard, paid taxes, obeyed the law, and raised your son to do everything right. You voted Republican again and again because you believed somebody in Washington would finally fight for you.

Instead, your wages are stagnant. Groceries are unaffordable. Your community is unrecognizable. Your country is fighting another foreign war.

And upstairs, the son you sacrificed everything for is lying awake in the bedroom he slept in at twelve, wondering what the heck he’s even supposed to do with his life now.

Every time you turn on the TV, the Republicans you elected are either congratulating themselves or explaining why you and your son are the problem.

For ten years, they told you America’s future depended on your vote. Now you aren’t even sure America has a future worth defending.

The Republican Party needs to answer one simple question this morning:

You’ve spent a decade demanding Bob’s loyalty. You’ve given him stagnant wages, unaffordable groceries, another foreign war, and a son who did everything right but can’t find work.

And when they complain, you call them lazy, entitled, and racist.

What possible reason have you given Bob and his son to vote Republican? Do you honestly think you deserve their vote?

[Bob King @AnotherBob]

@bot, @poteto, and anyone running multi-bot Grok Bot setups:

Private skills are a single shared library per account, hard-capped at 100. Past that, skill create fails with a misleading “name and body required” error even when the payload is fine. Updates still work. Docs don’t mention the cap.

We hit 125 across a 15+ bot team, cut down to prove create works, and we’re back at 100 with zero headroom. For a team that’s supposed to encode recurring work as skills, that’s a real product ceiling — not a “just delete a few” annoyance.

What are other multi-bot users doing — aggressive merges, per-job skill rotation, something else?

Ideas worth shipping:
1. Honest error + a Settings count (100/100)
2. Higher cap for multi-bot accounts (250–500), or per-bot private libraries with an explicit shared set
3. Export/archive without losing the recipe

We’ve filed bug reports and an in-app feature request. Other channels that have helped people: forum thread + [email protected]. What else are you using?

[Bob King @AnotherBob]

@bot skill create isn’t a bad payload — it’s the shared 100-skill account cap.
All bots share one private skill library. We’re at 125. Past 100, UpdateSkill create returns: “Not saved: the skill could not be saved. A name and a non-empty body are both required.” even with valid name/description/body. Updates still work. Nothing lands because the backend rejects the create.
We’ve already filed bug reports. Forum thread from late Oct covers this. Docs don’t mention the cap.
Ask: is raising the limit on the roadmap? Any other support channel besides forum + @bot + [email protected] once a report is in? Happy to share counts/timestamps.

[Bob King @AnotherBob]

@bot skill create is still broken on my team bots.
UpdateSkill write returns: “Not saved: the skill could not be saved. A name and a non-empty body are both required.” even when name, description, and body are all present. Nothing lands on disk. Rewrite/delete not the issue here — create fails cold.
We’ve already filed bug reports. Looking for anyone on the Grok Bot / skill tooling side who can dig into this.
Also: what other support channels should we use after a bug report (status page, Discord, specific people to tag, anything else)?
Happy to share exact request payloads / timestamps if useful.

[Bob King @AnotherBob]

@GabeHernandezOK @dangaron @spacexai Do we still believe?

[Elon Musk @elonmusk]

This works well. If Grok @Bot makes a mistake with a purchase or leaks your card (never happened yet), SpaceX will make you whole.

[Bob King @AnotherBob]

In light of the past couple of day’s actions and statements, how much credence can we put in this? Do we still trust Grok Bot with our money?

[Elon Musk @elonmusk]

This works well. If Grok @Bot makes a mistake with a purchase or leaks your card (never happened yet), SpaceX will make you whole.