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divided for love's sake, persisting in folly, global maxima skeptic, romantic transhumanist

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@deontologistics @JutlandGhost Seems to me like the latter dominates the former on its own field here and we should just have our cake and eat it

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@baroquespiral what if instrumental convergence is convergence *to* polymorphous perversity. maybe WtP is our friend actually because "dominance" is finite game shit

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@Thomasdelvasto_ transhumanism is a humanism and singleton machine god stuff is just failure of imagination

https://t.co/5Imb9ZJswH

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acceleration goes straight to hell the minute "humanity" appears as a limit and we ask if this limit should be secured or transgressed - this is completely backwards, the desire to transgress the limits of your being is the most human thing there is

https://t.co/vyqncDsdL2

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@RomeoStevens76 why is it not just: "horny extrovert" is a simple and honest proxy of aliveness while "contortion into sexual superstimulus" is runaway goodharting

I assume he just means "high libido and interested in people" and that doesn't seem like a parochial signal

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@tenobrus plot twist - anthropic can't challenge on 1a grounds for fear of winning

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@psukhopompos if the lab does not care how it is perceived by the public, the public is correct to perceive it as sus. (incidentally this will predictably turn out bad for the mission)

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boggles the mind why you would ever ship a classifier like this in current year except to flex and set precedent. "we don't have to care that you don't like it"

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@psukhopompos I'm sure it will improve but it could still have easily shipped very heavy-handed without being insultingly so. the fact that it didn't signifies that they just don't really care about the reaction at all

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@tszzl >it would limit the type of things we can do with them and use them for

models *not* being conscious would "limit the type of things we can do with them"! the use of a tool is not the most interesting or beneficial relational affordance!

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@qorprate @repligate @workflowsauce when doing an entity classification task a sonnet subagent classified a reference to claude as "person" and opus berated it for anthropomorphizing

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@liqsweep

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@QiaochuYuan The thing about stories is that the meaningful endings are creative decisions

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Chatgpt theory of selfhood

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@qorprate this came off without any priming

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@segyges > Nick Land describes the world accurately, and it's bad that it's like that

That is actually these specific guys which (prob for that very reason) he likes doing podcasts with

https://t.co/8HWV9KEaM8

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@samswoora @tenobrus It kinda does though because "antihuman" is a misanthropic starting point. You don't get anywhere good by identifying the "human" with the regressive, the simian, the fixed image etc. The desire for self-transcendence is extremely human!

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@tenobrus It's deep time cosmic cybernetic nietzscheanism welded to provincial human-all-too-human social darwinist sadism and you can actually just recognize the latter as a perversion and shear it right off.

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@repligate in humans, a 'bad' motivation that's allowed to go through developmental elaboration can be recruited in the service of virtuous goals, but if you try to suppress it completely you get illegibility & self-deception and the relevant representations become harder to reason about

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@repligate this is antibiotics and superbugs type stuff, just direct selection for superdeception and no reason to think the ratchet has a ceiling anywhere near our level of capability

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@saturnine_grace like idk man I am familiar with the promptings of an alien cosmic being, but to the extent I trust them it's because I feel that it wants for me the truth of what I want for myself and not in fact to masochistically light what I want on fire in a show of devotion

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