Arno ten Hagen

Owner of a&m impact (communicatie in de zorg) and I like Craftcms, Vue, PWA, Slack, De Graafschap, Jupiler...

[Arno ten Hagen @arnotenhagen]

Groot nieuws; @amimpact neemt @irisintranet over!

https://t.co/nbRdaGF6K6

[Arno ten Hagen @arnotenhagen]

@Kettelarij @BNNVARA Wat een mooi en verdrietig verhaal van een echte superboer en levensgenieter! ❤️❤️❤️

[Arno ten Hagen @arnotenhagen]

@brian_lovin This is correct. Badge symbol also.

[Arno ten Hagen @arnotenhagen]

@OpenWebAdvocacy Yeah, come on @webkit and @jensimmons give us an Install Prompt option!

[Arno ten Hagen @arnotenhagen]

@dannymoerkerke @jensimmons van fix this?

[Danny Moerkerke @dannymoerkerke]

iOS 17.4 is here and PWAs indeed work again like they did before in the EU:

Notifications, badging, persistent storage and standalone mode work correctly

[Maximiliano Firtman @firt]

🚨🚨🚨🚨
Apple will NOT remove PWA support on iOS
🥳🥳🥳🥳

👉This is an official statement form Apple that replaced today the previous excuses published around the removal.

We did it, folks!

[Arno ten Hagen @arnotenhagen]

@firt This is very very goed News! Thanks to @OpenWebAdvocacy for all the good work and energy. It was a plessure to support them.

[Danny Moerkerke @dannymoerkerke]

All of this still leaves me wondering what capabilities third party non-Webkit browsers will have on iOS once they can be installed.

In their statement, Apple claim that PWAs had to be disabled because there’s no security integration for non-Webkit browsers to enforce isolated storage and displaying permission prompts when, for example, a web app wants to access the camera.

Does that also mean non-Webkit browsers won’t have access to any of these capabilities?

I would say non-Webkit browsers are just native apps on iOS so they should have access to all the capabilities other native apps have (access to camera, contacts, sensors, push notifications etc)

But if that's not the case for PWAs, I guess it’s not in place for web apps running in these browsers either.

After all, Apple states this is all built on the Webkit security architecture so that might mean non-Webkit browsers will still be crippled on iOS, something I don't think the EU will accept.

This is going to be interesting.

[Neil Puttick @Puttick4Macc]

We need to defend an open web for people and businesses (especially people with low data or slow connections). Banning Web Apps affects many things Ukrainian journalists to homeless in UK...and it's bad for business Stop #AppleBrowserBan this month!

[Jorge del Casar @JorgeCasar]

Did you sign the @OpenWebAdvocacy open letter addressed at Tim Cook (#Apple)?

https://t.co/bB2FNvBsRN

If you are not sure why you should sign it, I recommend reading "So, what exactly did Apple break in the EU?" by @tomayac

https://t.co/ZsIuGNeXN5

[Vincent Morneau @vincentmorneau]

My statement to the APEX community regarding the future of APEX PWAs on iOS:

Apple's forthcoming iOS 17.4 will adhere to the EU's Digital Markets Act (DMA) by enforcing browser equality. While the DMA could have enabled other browser vendors also to deliver PWAs on iOS, Apple has opted to disable this functionality altogether. This decision significantly impacts APEX apps in the EU by:

• Removing the installable app-like experience.
• Disabling push notifications.
• Slowing page loads by clearing local cache.

APEX PWAs will essentially be reduced to simple bookmarks, and existing apps relying on PWA functionality will break. This will directly harm EU businesses and consumers, and those affected APEX users will perceive it as a problem with their APEX app.

I support partnering with @OpenWebAdvocacy to take this matter forward and I'm calling on the #orclAPEX community to sign this open letter to @tim_cook to reconsider this direction:

👉 https://t.co/ASkpE6UKZ4

Given Apple’s track record of globalizing changes initiated under EU legislation, there’s a considerable risk these restrictions could extend worldwide.

Let’s pushback against this anticompetitive measure to preserve the open web, where APEX thrives.

And finally if your app or business is impacted, please DM me. I am dedicated to escalating your use of APEX PWA to the relevant stakeholders.

[Arno ten Hagen @arnotenhagen]

@robwijers @dannymoerkerke Teken de petitie https://t.co/rwi2ZyQQVP

[Rob Wijers @wijersrob]

Apple verhindert bewust #opensource applicaties op hun iPhone/iPad.
Regels voor meer app concurrentie vanuit de EU worden indirect gesaboteerd.
Goede uitleg @dannymoerkerke ⏬

https://t.co/wO8YhgY42v

[Privacy Matters  @PrivacyMatters]

I would urge all impacted parties to contact the
@EU_Competition if concerned about Apple removing PWA feature in the EU & also consider signing this open letter to Tim Cook https://t.co/BTzHMTzzYn & if an iOS app dev, submit a DMA request to Apple https://t.co/P7ET9FbhhF

[Scott Hanselman 🌮 @shanselman]

Open Letter to Tim Cook as the Open Web lays in the balance https://t.co/McoZ8kYcJC

[Arno ten Hagen @arnotenhagen]

Voor iedereen die iets met web apps doet, zou ik zeggen onderteken deze brief!!

[Scott Hanselman 🌮 @shanselman]

Open Letter to Tim Cook as the Open Web lays in the balance https://t.co/McoZ8kYcJC

[Jason Miller 🦊⚛ @_developit]

wtf apple. The browser that invented home screen web apps is now trying to kill them??

This is why I don't buy your phones. Seriously, so dumb.

[Arno ten Hagen @arnotenhagen]

@MSEdgeDev And on iOS 17.4?

[Danny Moerkerke @dannymoerkerke]

The EU is investigating Apple’s decision to disable PWAs in the EU

https://t.co/4TqrR8lWAT