art dev

avoiding the witch hunt

i heavily detest ai generated art and music

[ゆめうさ@深夜27時のVtuberクリエイター系非常食 @anotherusa14]

「AIにコードを書かせた結果、『誰も中身が分からないプログラム』が出来るのではないか」コードをAIに書かせる前はそう心配していたのですが。

前任者不在でマニュアルも仕様書も残ってない『誰も中身が分からないプログラム』は元々あるので、問題はそこじゃない。

[art dev @artist_sw_dev]

@velayouthin @TheCreativeNick >fighting the pain of technology
I basicaly only made this point to liken this to when artists have a non-art problem like brush or canvas issues.

often the problems related to code (though not always) may not have anything to do with the actual architecture design itself

[art dev @artist_sw_dev]

as:
* an artist of 18+ years
* software engineer in both enterprise and startups of 10+ years
* heavily against AI art and music

i can tell you this opinion is disconnected from reality, because they are applying the artist mindset to a tech field.

this is becuase

[kyle @poorlyflower]

i feel like people forget coding is also an artform and having ai generated code is just as insulting as ai generated artwork or music

[art dev @artist_sw_dev]

@velayouthin @TheCreativeNick I think we agree more than we think sine I agree with most of your points

I think i shold have been more specific with my word choice, as i dont think code is necessarily the same as artwork, but SWE can be an art

[art dev @artist_sw_dev]

these kinds of posts are just sad to see

i think instead of worrying about successful someone is, its more important to think about trying to come to an agreement or at least share your learning

but as a 19y/o i guess they have been rugpulled by the system hence the anger

[art dev @artist_sw_dev]

I may have made a mistake in conflating the word "art" with "artwork"

I agree that designing a system can be artful, whether that system is in a game, crud app, low level application

However the code that achieves this is not the artwork, the system itself would be, no?

[art dev @artist_sw_dev]

@M4ximumCheese I think you are now talking about the overarching system of design that defines how the code should be written

i think this can be artful - balance systems in gaming, physics, etc. there is an art to this, but i dont think it makes it artwork. it makes it a system

[yukoi @yukoi0]

@kendy_online @artist_sw_dev the struggle to improve on programming is like struggling to improve in math. your solutions to equations don’t become more human because you struggled to improve since you again aren’t creating anything just solving.

[art dev @artist_sw_dev]

@tai_wen87490 Yes so this is a great place for me to explain my point a bit more:

The code of the HTML is not the art, it is more akin to brushes!

The brush is not the art right?

The painting is!

[art dev @artist_sw_dev]

@Low23Jay91234 you replied :)

that said, please ask anything i will try to answer

[art dev @artist_sw_dev]

@nocturn9x @RigelOrionBeta I will admit the lowest level i have ever dived down into is SDL2.0 (i dont think FPGAs count in this discussion)

I think its possible to artfully design a system or component, but the implementation means is not relevant to art itself

[art dev @artist_sw_dev]

@bernielomax I don't agree with "code isn't separate from design"

In fact I think many design systems are code agnostic and should be implemented in the same way regardless of code.

Unless I'm misunderstanding this

[art dev @artist_sw_dev]

@Zone__score you would be surprised...

even as an artist i have fallen to this line of thinking before "my drawings dont look as good because this brush is holding me back!"

fundaments are the key

[art dev @artist_sw_dev]

@bbrsntd @WW92030 based

[art dev @artist_sw_dev]

@LenaDotGirl @nocturn9x I think it great you havent lost the passion to code!

However yes as someone who worked in the industry... it's boring as hell doing the same thing over and over again! This is what SWEs are excited to automate out.

Doing your own thing will let you enjoy coding more i feel~

[sai @g30rg3b0n35]

@artist_sw_dev i think the simplest way to explain this is that the design work you are doing is the art. that absolutely should not be automated. if writing code was what made a swe useful then everything would've been offshored a long time ago, but your foundation + problem solving ability is

[art dev @artist_sw_dev]

@antisim009 i do like writing code, but this is not really the point - i am basically saying the nuance behind treating artwork the same as code is flawed

[art dev @artist_sw_dev]

@HotterTake That's the problem right, we need more actual discussion on it. Like with everything, there is nuance that is now missing in the discussion

[art dev @artist_sw_dev]

@StorgaardMikkel >no evidence of productivity
I disagree, in fact i think the opposite

I use AI in my app, albeit it has only 100 active users out of 1000.

Many of its bug root causes can be quickly found by LLMs. Exploring otherwise is time consuming. I think give it a try

[art dev @artist_sw_dev]

@lman_tw @sko_phi i think i get what you are saying

i also agree mostly. there is an art to doing things in many places

but i dont think using an LLM in place of manually coding immediately discounts something, and is in any way nearly as insulting as generating media art

[alcuin ('NEW' ACCOUNT... U FLOLOW NOW!) @alcuintweets]

@artist_sw_dev when code does - in fact - become 'art' - it often decouples itself from the realities of software engineering.

in those cases it becomes more like mathematics or poetry.