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@LeDumezilien @ThelastPretanni @grok And yet, the side you take is that we've got some brotherhood with the other side? My Briton ancestors would revile me, the other Celtic nations equally revile me outside of the Lowland Scots. Genuinely, why would I want to identify as a Briton over a Saxon?

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@LeDumezilien @ThelastPretanni @grok You say that as though the English aren't disliked and usually told to pound sand by Celts of all stripes. That's why people like Rowsell's stuff, there's a sense of belonging. The French, Welsh, Scots and Irish disoike us - why not call ourselves Germanic instead?

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@ThelastPretanni @grok And yet, the Welsh despise us. I think I've brought this up with you before, but to the others here too - even with that blood, why identify with those who'd happily chuck us out?

Rowsell being right or not, us being part Briton isn't worth shite to the avg Celt now.

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@wanyeyest @Tom_Rowsell So the Gretzinger etc studies which showed more than a few English regions to be about half Germanic?

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@anglican_aest East Anglia for me

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@hogsbreathvip82 @haravayin_hogh @t_butanol @SpatialLLM Yeah, my neck of the woods, but I wasn't sure if it meant that or if it was referring to English-descended Scots Lowlanders

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@t_butanol @SpatialLLM @hogsbreathvip82 What does "Saxon Lowland English" correspond to here?

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@ulverlover141 Counterpoint, I have nothing in common with any Celtic forebears and they'd hate me. I'll stick to being Saxon lol

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@Tom1spragg @ulfcytel Possible, though honestly I think it's Frisians (themselves also Anglo-Saxons in most respects) if anyone, given they're very closely linked with East Anglia and the two regions shared more besides. In Sussex/Kent I think it was Franks for sure.

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@Tom1spragg @ulfcytel Not quite, East Anglia and Sussex also have high Continental Iron Age too which arrived with the Angles and Saxons, for them insular Celtic is only about 11%, but 47% Germanic in the East especially. By the numbers, they're more Germanic than anything else.

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@DavidePiffer I somehow doubt this for East Anglua and Sussex especially. The use of Britons is also odd here - of course they're closer if you include the Welsh, Scots and Irish!

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@ThelastPretanni Norfolk and Huntingdonshire are where the bulk of mine came from, iirc those are about 47% as well but I have not read Gretzinger in a while. You'll also have to excuse that first "demoralised" reply of mine, I was quite drunk last night lol

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@ThelastPretanni I think my blood leans more Saxon simply by dint of region, admittedly I might not identify with any Briton blood but I do acknowledge it's a part of me.

Maybe I'll love it in time, even if I do define myself as Saxon. Still might not ever like Arthurian myth though.

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@pennine15482 @AnInnes3 Would reiterate my point from the other day on the Fens/Norfolk on this, another traditionally isolated area with a regional distinction. In that case being more Saxon than other English, which at least in the Fens was also linked to a lot more clannishness among the families imo

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@AnInnes3 I think it depends as far as England goes. The idea of it just being north/south is a big modernism, East Anglian identity as one example was until more recent times fairly regionally distinct, especially in the Fenlands where there was a real hatred of outsiders esp. Londoners

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@ThelastPretanni @aodanhill @Ryanash2000 At it again are we Welshman

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@The0ldNorth @Tom_Rowsell @MannOhneListe @harrycabbag3 Not only is it not false, it's literally visible lol, a man of East Anglia or Lincoln looks fairly different to Welsh or Cornish. There are other English who are also not especially Brythonic. Given your name, I think you may have some bias here. The people, largely, are Saxon.

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@ThelastPretanni @OttoWulfhelmson @SeamusMor19 Fair enough. I still don't think we'll agree, but I commend your commitment if nothing else. This Saxon thanks you for the talk, Briton perhaps we'll have a friendlier one next time