@bonhoefferchild@andresmessina2@bmatlock1990 You are infected with modern thought. You are incapable of recognizing your entire argument amounts to the same twisting of plain text and tradition that the sodomites use. If you are indeed a minister and seminary professor, I shudder to think what your students actually learn.
@bonhoefferchild@andresmessina2@bmatlock1990 This is the issue. You ask for how men and women are different. I provide several examples. You sidestep these and attack the veracity of Paul and scripture. I provide historical evidence. You attack the veracity of 99% of Christian traditions.
@bonhoefferchild@andresmessina2@bmatlock1990 This is why discussion with you is impossible. You pretend that explicit, timely commands to the nation of Israel is the same as Paul addressing the church, explicitly speaking for their learning and instruction. You in argue, “did God really say….”
@andresmessina2@bonhoefferchild@bmatlock1990 Yeah. As soon as he started questioning authorship, there’s not really a point in arguing anymore. He trusts modern “scholars” over God’s revealed word.
@bonhoefferchild@andresmessina2@bmatlock1990 St. Paul says because men are less easily deceived than women. Also, women cannot be the husband of one wife. Also, Paul appeals to creation order, which is immutable. Also, God says so.
@bonhoefferchild@andresmessina2@bmatlock1990 This has now ventured into vulgarity and sacrilege. Your inability to accept a historical view of ordained ministry and sacraments leads you to cheapening both. Profoundly uneducated on what the EC believed regarding both. I pray for humility & understanding for us both.
@bonhoefferchild@andresmessina2@bmatlock1990 Priests and bishops do much more than stand in a pulpit. Absolving sins, presiding over the Eucharist, baptisms in most cases, marriages. If you believe pastors only preach the good news I understand where the confusion is coming from
@bonhoefferchild@bmatlock1990 You’re confusing authority and the call to evangelize. All Christians are called to spread the gospel in myriad different ways. Jesus only called men to the office of apostle. Bishops/overseers were all men. Sacraments and the priesthood are done by men.
@bonhoefferchild@bmatlock1990 Your prior message is questioning the infallibility of scripture and/or (somehow) the goodness of God. If we don’t agree on those points, we aren’t going to agree on much
@bonhoefferchild@bmatlock1990 There might be some miscommunication. By RHC, I assumed you meant the New Testament household codes. Nowhere in the NT are women defined as property, nor is pederasty ever condoned. Literacy is not mentioned, and slavery is not upheld as a positive good.
@bonhoefferchild@bmatlock1990 Yes, I would argue they are intended to be prescriptive in how Christians should live as a family unit & church, with the exception being what is explicitly stated as being Paul’s opinion rather than doctrine. Modern innovations shouldn’t take precedent over scripture.
@bonhoefferchild@bmatlock1990 We can debate the scriptures without me having an M.div. Exegesis, while requiring basic cultural contexts and biblical literacy, does not require me to be up to date on whatever your favorite Yale Ph.D has recently deconstructed. Not trying to dog on you either
@bonhoefferchild@bmatlock1990 No, God created men and women differently. Thats like saying “God can’t save people who don’t believe in Him.” He could, but that goes against his character.
You’re devolving into emotional arguments and ad hominem
@bonhoefferchild@bmatlock1990 LMAO. Just because I’m not used to YOUR preferred acronyms doesn’t mean I’m uninformed. Actually engage with my arguments or I’ll just assume you don’t have any refutation
@bonhoefferchild@bmatlock1990 This means that infallible scripture recognizes there are certain behaviors appropriate for men that are not appropriate for women, and vice versa. “A woman shall not wear a man’s garment.”