@JoshuaEnsley I would say for me it depends. I may cite a hostile scholar to say “even so and so says”, but I’m going to always properly contextualize quotes. If I only say “as so and so says”, but he’s actually opposed to my main argument, I’m not being completely honest.
@DavidWilberBlog@JoshuaEnsley Straw man. It isn’t that you have to agree with an “entire” theology or “body of work”. It’s that appealing to a quote on a passage with no care at all about what someone concludes from that passage is misleading. You keep changing the subject.
@JoshuaEnsley@DavidWilberBlog Exactly. There are levels to it. There may be agreement on a passage but disagreement on the actual theological implications, but that’s not included unless someone forces the issue.
@DavidWilberBlog@JoshuaEnsley Classic red herring. No one said you “took him out of context”. Read Joshua’s OP. You make citations while leaving out the actual positions of those you cite, which is misleading. All you proved is that you didn’t overtly state his position in error.
@JoshuaEnsley “But they don’t have to agree for the quote to be pertinent”. They do if you don’t provide context and just say “so-and-so says”. Mostly, that kind of quote means that they either disagree ultimately and it’s hidden or they’re another Prono-bro, not a real scholar
@JoshuaEnsley@GodLogic_GL I’ve seen some. He often has a specific group or specific question as a topic. But he is always quick on the disconnect button when people start repeating themselves or trying to change the subject.
I’ve always appreciated Joshua for his honesty and integrity, treating me like a brother in Christ even when we strongly disagreed on Torah Observance. He has changed in mind, not in character.
Few have the moral courage to honestly reassess their beliefs like he did.
Apparently I have some people who follow me and are upset that I'm no longer a practicing Pronomian. If that upsets you, please consider unfollowing me. My shift was nothing personal against pronomians, but was best for my family.
@JoshuaEnsley True, though I would define "expired" in terms of their being binding commandments. They're still Scripture, and profitable, and even have New Covenant counterparts.
@BrysonGray@rabbriansamuel There’s “another day” (4:8 above). That day is “today”
again he appoints a certain day, “Today,” saying through David so long afterward, in the words already quoted,
“Today, if you hear his voice,
do not harden your hearts.”
— Hebrews 4:7
@BrysonGray@rabbriansamuel@BrysonGray is wrong twice. It’s a “sabbath rest” no contrast found in the text like he claims. Also, it’s not the 7th day Sabbath, since Joshua certainly did have that rest available.
@michaeljknowles@conservmillen Because they did not pursue it by faith, but as if it were based on works. They have stumbled over the stumbling stone, as it is written,
“Behold, I am laying in Zion a stone of stumbling, and a rock of offense;
and whoever believes in him will not be put to shame.”Romans 9:30-33