Ponda

27 • they/them • Anti-AI • I like graphic design, art, TTRPGs, and libertarian socialism

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Ryette (OC)

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@Amrykotb @KonoXp @Genki_JPN MH is hard to get into, but that's because you need to be willing to dedicate energy to learn it. It doesn't meet you where you are, you need to put the work in. The payoff to that work, the moment it clicks, is the reason why it has such dedicated and positive fans.

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@Ferrari__Tifosi @YourAvgBellman (And I'm not saying the prequels don't challenge audiences, by the way. They do a little: audiences responded negatively to the politics and still ignore major themes. Like the political evil of the Jedi Order, them arranging Padme to miss the vote to establish a Republic Army.)

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@Ferrari__Tifosi @YourAvgBellman Literacy check. I answered your hypothetical: it's fine to have a sequel where a past protagonist is evil. To be clear, Luke isn't evil in 8, he's just an antagonist.

And you knew Anakin would turn to the Dark Side. Seeing him turn doesn't challenge you or present something new.

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@Ferrari__Tifosi @YourAvgBellman I mean, that isn't what happened in Star Wars, but the concept of a main character having become evil in a sequel is an entirely valid idea. But Star Wars is special because its vocal fans are largely very artistically fragile and cannot handle concepts like that.

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@Ferrari__Tifosi @YourAvgBellman But the silver lining is that Disney has you covered. They'll give you unchallenging movies with comfortable concepts and stakes. These movies won't have new ideas, so they won't need to make any decisions, which reduces risk for you and their shareholders (they're on your side).

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@Ferrari__Tifosi @YourAvgBellman When Luke did that, it brought me into the movie and made me ask questions, made me interested. The thing is, stories work through conflict. If conflict is too uncomfortable for you when Luke is a source of it, then you aren't able to enjoy any good story with him in it.

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@Ferrari__Tifosi @YourAvgBellman Your reaction is as if Luke abandoned the force and panicked about his nephew turning to the Dark Side literally right after Episode VI. 4-6 took place across 4 years, and he changed a lot during that. It has been 30 years since then.

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@Ferrari__Tifosi @YourAvgBellman They have an issue with it in the same way a child would see their favorite good guy grow up (more than double his previous age) to have a more complex character in a more mature story and feel alienated and angry because they don't understand what's happening.

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@FieriAreiliele @tyl0saur To be clear, the protagonist is the character who drives the story, not necessarily the main character. The story can focus on one character but have a different one's arc and motives drive the story. Madoka Magica is an example of this (Homura is the protagonist).

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@Ferrari__Tifosi @YourAvgBellman Like, imagine being surprised that a freedom fighter would be disillusioned with the current Democratic Party. You're pearl clutching about this perfect simple image of Luke you invented. Be realistic. The movie has a much more mature attitude towards the character than you do.

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@Ferrari__Tifosi @YourAvgBellman You are saying Luke wouldn't throw out the Jedi Order because you like the Jedi Order and you like to think Luke shares your beliefs. But it's like saying a US antifascist today would support the Weimar SPD, which spent its efforts killing leftists rather than stopping the Nazis.

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@Ferrari__Tifosi @YourAvgBellman He was able to redeem Vader, but that didn't come from the Jedi, that was in rejection of what he was being told. Now, he sees the galaxy falling apart again, and he's rejecting the old ways again because he knows they'll solve nothing. He just can't see a new way until the end.

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@Ferrari__Tifosi @YourAvgBellman Luke never trusted the old Jedi ways, even in 5/6. And it would be childish to say he should in 8. The Order's institutional weakness bred fascism. 8 is largely about learning from the past but moving on to imagine and fight for a brand new future.

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@Swaggin80 @bunnielesbian He had that since the launch of Overwatch 1 until his rework that was since largely undone.

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@Ferrari__Tifosi @YourAvgBellman He knows the history and cites the failures of the Jedi Order and their ideology, failures that mirror his own. He believes their purpose was mislead and has no place. Yoda agrees, burns the texts, and tells him to move on as all apprentices do beyond their masters (as Luke did).

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@Ferrari__Tifosi @YourAvgBellman He showed his father that he believed in his redemption by tossing his own lightsaber away. He doesn't believe his trust in his father was because of his teachings. Neither Obi-Wan nor Yoda believed in Anakin's redemption. In 8, Luke doesn't see the purpose of the Jedi teachings.

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@Ferrari__Tifosi @YourAvgBellman Yoda does that to test Luke, wanting him to fail, to make a point to Obi-Wan that he can't be a Jedi. Yoda didn't want to train Luke. Luke also mockingly tests and refuses to train Rey, pushing her to explore the dark cave and consult Kylo Ren.

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@maxdeploy @overfire_news The game is international. The West got its own anniversary art.