@ChuckCallesto The question was “What if this was your son.” Everyone of you would not condone what the security guard did if that were YOUR son. You can all make your comments because it’s not your son. You all would be trying to sue someone.
What was God doing all that time before creation?
One reason some people have given me for rejecting a young universe is that they think it somehow limits God. After all, what was He doing all that time before creation? But this question reflects a basic misunderstanding of God and time.
Because of my stand on a young universe, a man approached me and said, “But it makes no sense to believe in a young universe. After all, what was God doing all that time before He created?”
I answered, “What time do you mean?”
The person answered, “Well, it doesn’t make sense to say that God has always existed, and yet He didn’t create the universe until just six thousand years ago.” Apparently, he was worried that God once had a lot of time on His hands with nothing to do.
I then went on to explain that because God has always existed, then it is meaningless to ask, “What was God doing all that time before He created?” No matter how far you were to go back in time, you would still have an infinite amount of time before He created! So even if the universe were billions or trillions or quadrillions of years old, you could still ask the same question.
I then answered, “But you are missing the fact that there was no time before God created.”
Time is actually a created entity. The first verse of the Bible reads: “In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth” (Genesis 1:1, emphasis added).
A study of this verse reveals that God created time, space, and matter on the first day of Creation Week. No one of these can have a meaningful existence without the others. God created the space-mass-time universe. Space and matter must exist in time, and time requires space and matter. Time is only meaningful if physical entities exist and events transpire during time.
“In the beginning . . .” is when time began! There was no time before time was created!
When I’m teaching children, I like to explain it this way. There was no “before” God created. There was not even “nothing”! There was God existing in eternity.
This is something humans, as finite created beings, can never really understand. That’s why the Bible makes it clear there is always a “faith” aspect to our understanding of God. Now, biblical faith is not against reason, but such things go way beyond our finite understanding.
“Without faith it is impossible to please Him, for he who comes to God must believe that He is, and that He is a rewarder of those who diligently seek Him” (Hebrews 11:6).
In Psalm 90:2 we read: “Before the mountains were brought forth, or ever You had formed the earth and the world, even from everlasting to everlasting, You are God.”
So what was “before” creation? God existing from everlasting to everlasting—God existing in eternity.
Do you remember what God said to Moses when he asked God who he should say sent him to lead his people out of Egypt’s oppression?
“And God said to Moses, ‘I AM WHO I AM.’ And He said, ‘Thus you shall say to the children of Israel, “I AM has sent me to you”’” (Exodus 3:14).
God is the great “I AM.” He exists in eternity. He was not created.
In Revelation 1:8 we read, “‘I am the Alpha and the Omega, the Beginning and the End,’ says the Lord, ‘who is and who was and who is to come, the Almighty.’”
Isaiah 43:10 records these words from God: “‘You are My witnesses,’ says the Lord, ‘and My servant whom I have chosen, that you may know and believe Me, and understand that I am He. Before Me there was no God formed, nor shall there be after Me.’”
In other words, it’s a mistake to talk about what God was doing “before creation” because the concept of time (before, during, and after) did not come to be until Day One of Creation Week. God exists—He is—He is the eternal self-existent One. He is outside of time.
The Bible makes it clear that God’s existence is completely separate from the history of this universe, which began in Genesis 1:1. In other words, there is no such thing as “prehistoric.” History began when it was first recorded—the first verse of Genesis.
Now when we understand this and then also understand that the whole of creation, including Genesis 1:1, was accomplished in six days, we can begin to calculate how long ago God created the world.
Exodus 20:11 makes it clear that the heavens and the earth (Genesis 1:1) and everything else (all that is listed in Genesis 1) were created in six days: “For in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, and rested the seventh day. Therefore the Lord blessed the Sabbath day and hallowed it.”
Based on the way the word day is used in Genesis 1 (qualified by number, morning, evening etc), creation had to be six ordinary (approximately 24-hour) days. Many technical and popular articles show that the context requires this meaning.
Then the Bible lists very specific genealogies of the Messiah’s line in Genesis 5 and Genesis 11. We are told that Adam was 130 years old when he begat Seth. When Seth was 105 years old, he begat Enosh—and so these lists continue. When one adds up all the dates and other time references throughout Scripture, then it is clear that “In the beginning . . .” was about six thousand years ago.
Now some Christian leaders have claimed that the Bible doesn’t give an absolute date for creation, so we can’t know how old the creation really is. But of course the Bible doesn’t give a date for creation. You see, if the Bible recorded that creation was six thousand years ago, then because the Bible was completed about 2,000 years ago, the creation would be 8,000 years old! And the Bible doesn’t use terms like BC or AD because they are man-made conventions based around the birth of Jesus.
However, the Bible does give us something much better than a date—a very specific history that allows us not only to determine the age of the universe but also to know all the essential details about God’s plan of redemption from the beginning of time, including the line of the promised Messiah.
One final point: Nowhere in the Bible do we find any suggestion of millions or billions of years. Belief in millions of years is really part of secular man’s religion, which attempts to explain life without God, instead of believing the true account of origins in Genesis that begins “In the beginning . . . .”
Our ability to trust God’s promise of salvation relies upon our ability to trust everything He says about history, from beginning to end. If we can’t trust His claims about the past, how can we trust His promises about the future?
Thankfully, we serve a God we can trust in every detail. Though He is beyond space and time, He humbled Himself to become a man and die on the Cross for our sins. He also has given us a record of this history in His Word so that we can know it’s really true.
Whenever I ask the question, why doesn't God stop all evil in the world? I never think: "Why don't you stop me, God?" I'm always thinking: "Why doesn't he stop that other guy?" If God were to stop evil tonight at midnight, would you still be alive at 12:01?
I'm praying this prayer (suggested by @stevearterburn). Join us?
Dear God,
Let your purposes be my purposes. Let your priorities be my priorities. Let your will be my will. Let your Word be my guide. And let me grow in faith and in wisdom today and every day.
Amen
@LeeStrobel Read your book “A Case for Heaven” that you signed for me while in Wooster Ohio. Great book. I was interested because no one talked about heaven that much and I graduated from Liberty University with a degree in theology without hearing much about it either.
@theeangelicjade A lot are genuine. Unfortunately, people always notice the bad over the good. If just one messes up they all suffer. Some are bad for sure, but don’t let the bad overshadow the good.
I love it when skeptics say Jesus was just a good man who walked the earth and had a lot of good sayings. Think about it. He was either the Son of God or he was a man who was crazy. He couldn’t be both. I put my trust in Him as my savior.
@LeeStrobel I used to attend that group when I lived in NC. I live in Wooster Ohio now and saw you here a couple of months ago. I’m going to try and make a trip home to see you. It will be good to see Roy Jones again.
Christians who stand on biblical truth will lose friends and followers as the slippery slope of sin continues to descend but don’t be upset when that happens. None of that will matter when Christ returns! Stay encouraged!
@PGATOUR Go ahead players. Go to the LIV golf league. I’m done with all of it. No more watching PGA golf or any of it for me. I’m sick of it all. My favorite thing to do was watch golf on the weekends. Y’all have ruined it for me.