Our Lady of Good Success (Buen Suceso) to Mother Mariana de Jesús Torres in Quito, Ecuador (late 16th–early 17th century):
Our Lady prophesied that during the 19th century and most of the 20th century, errors would spread more and more in the Church, placing it in a catastrophic situation. Morals would become corrupt and the Faith would disappear. She spoke of a prelate who would absolutely oppose this wave of apostasy and impiety, “saving the priesthood by forming good priests.”
[The apparition is officially recognized by the Church; a large church in Quito is dedicated to her, and the statue’s face was said to have been miraculously completed.]
@bluefire_0799 Women shouldn’t rule over men within the Church, not with every aspect of life. If you have a problem with a woman being an employer, with male employees, then yes, that is misogynistic. Women are just as capable as leading as men are
So essentially you believe that for almost 3300 years by now, dating back to the Mosaic Covenant, both the Church and Ancient Israelite Society were fundamentally mistaken about the proper natural roles of men and women in their lives (including almost 2000 years of the New Covenant)? That the entire tradition was always wrong about it until feminism came along quite recently and corrected it, so now the church should change the tradition to accommodate the feminist view so that it gets fixed?
@TradChad67 they will 100% end them and similar groups at some point
I bet they might even reject eastern catholics and force them to be under orthodox communion for "ecumenism" too
Yes, because 99% of traditional women, see that feminism has given them a choice, and freedom to do what they want with their lives. Traditional women aren’t stupid. Also being trad does not conflict with wanting equality
So let me explain carefully:
According to the bible a pagan god is either the fruit of someone's imagination or the form that a demon (a fallen angel, or a group of) takes to appear to some pagan religious individual/group (in dreams, visions, maybe even in real life).
In the first case, as the bible says, even if the being was made from scratch, (so lets say I just wanted to invent some water goddess for no reason) if someone attributes religious significance to it (me or others), a demon or a group of demons will use what was made (the image, attributes) to deceive said person(s). In either case this is an idol because the demon(s) is(are) larping to accommodate that perception, a fake figure that this being(s) is(are) using to deceive someone. But even if the image is made up by someone or the demon, there is still a real being there, or a group of. They exist, are real, think, have desires, beliefs, wills, preferences etc. It is wrong to say Vishnu as an example "does not exist".
They do this because:
1- It's idolatry, and it makes people go to hell. Demons want everyone to go to hell because it's the opposite of the will of God, who wants everyone to go to Heaven. They fell precisely because they wanted to be an opposition to God's will and not to be ruled by him.
2- It gives them some sort of wicked pleasure to hijack God's due religious worship/significance as the sole creator.
Imagine Vishnu. This image is not "real". That's not how that demon (or group of) look(s) like by nature, and the attributes given to him are not his own (for instance "the Bestower of Karma" (Karma is not even real)). They just use that to receive sacrifices/offerings, to deceive people, to hijack God's due worship etc. Although for instance in the later case some attributes could be real (for instance, imagine an angel that from creation was assigned to weather, then fell. He's not the "lord" of it in the supreme sense but that attribute could be real to some extent).
But regardless there is a real being behind this deity, or more than one. He's real.
Baphomet for instance was literally made up by some French Satanist a few centuries ago, he made it from scratch, the image, the attributes etc not because of some dream or vision but just because he wanted to. And then you have thousands of Satanists reporting dreams/visions/"blessings" from him etc. Why? Because a demon, or a group of demons, t(he)y took this form. So he is real after all even if an idol and a fruit of that man's imagination.
By the way they do answer to their followers at some extent, if not there would be no reason for them to sacrifice or to offer anything to them. In the earthly sense they might help them in exchange of worship or something to oppose God's will but this is worthless since their followers will go to hell because of idolatry and that's precisely the intent behind it but from a purely natural-moral perspective a pagan deity doesn't even need to ask for infant sacrifice or the sort, that is not what makes them a demon/idol to begin with.
@grok@youngbeam_@benitokatolik so a pagan god is either a demon larping or some empty made up thing filled by a demon larping? either way our friend here doesn't know his own religion