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[The Bogey Train @bogeytrains]

New article out on the oft-overlooked middle holes in a golf course.

We examine four courses that reveal some insights into the vital qualities of the central holes. Lots of fascinating connections to other art forms as well!

Read here: https://t.co/rOHV9BLXLe

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Reworking the website and about to repost some articles soon. Stay tuned!

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@cagolftravel Gorgeous! Completely agree on Sunningdale's artistic and architectural merits. Not only do the various heather and grass textures create a beautiful walk, but the design is mentally engaging all throughout.

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Elie’s routing cleverly crams holes onto a ridge overlooking Blackness Bay.

Four greens and four tees all sit on/around this same feature!

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@BPBlackMetal Not sure about Rye and West Sussex, but Swinley has recently built out a set of back tees that bumps it to around 7000.

Minuscule details, but they’re technically not wrong with Swinley :)

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@BrentleyGC He'll take your car rental order as well

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@BPBlackMetal Correct, I should have made that more clear.

The Principal's Nose is a feature often included in the Double Plateau template, but is unrelated to the Double Plateau green concept -- as you said.

[The Bogey Train @bogeytrains]

Here’s a random recent realization-

FIVE of the holes on the back 9 at the Old Course were adapted as template holes by MacDonald and Raynor.

11 - Eden
13 - Lion’s Mouth
14 - Long
16 - Principal’s Nose (Double Plateau)
17 - Road

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This is a fun little read. Great list of holes!
https://t.co/ps6KRnlgyW

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@BPBlackMetal Hm. Is May River Club owned by the same developer?

If so, May River is a private club but isn’t crazy exclusive — wonder if that same attitude would carry over.

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If true, Hilton Head golf trips are about to actually be semi-decent!

[Bethpage Black Metal @BPBlackMetal]

Here's a Palmetto Bluff update based on numerous DM sources. Can now say semi-concretely say where the Coore & Crenshaw 18 (yes, it IS C&C) is located, and less concretely where the King-Collins reversible 9 will *generally* be. Didn't realize development owned so much property!

[The Bogey Train @bogeytrains]

@openlinksgolf1 Have to mention the 12th at Waterville - the Mass Hole.

The pit between the tee and green was formerly used as a gathering place for Catholics to celebrate mass in secret, as the British had banned Irish citizens from practicing Catholicism.

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Know this is nothing new, but the drastic nature of the project is perpetually interesting...
https://t.co/jcbKDMdt3A

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These aerials of Pinehurst No. 2 before and after C&C's restoration are insane.

It's quite difficult to believe the course's former state given its appearance today.

2008 vs. 2011

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@SportsBallFan23 Thanks! Man, a round with those high winds can be really difficult - especially with all the elevated greens.

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This is fascinating-

Here’s a map of Tom Doak's unused routing of Erin Hills, with the final Fry/Hurdzan routing overlaid in red.

Lots of interesting differences and similarities (THREAD):

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@cdngolftraveler @GullaneGolfClub @scotgolfcoast Gorgeous!

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For more discussion on Erin Hills, read our review ⬇️
https://t.co/HuHZVC9VSJ

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It would have been fascinating to see Doak's routing come to fruition. Especially some of the holes around the current 8th and 12th and the center of the property.

However, as with all things at Erin Hills, the history is virtually too complicated to play with hypotheticals :)

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@KarlWalters13 @ErinHillsGolf Very likely true - discussing hypotheticals about Erin Hills is really difficult.

Who knows if the course would even exist today if Doak designed it, given their management and financial history.

[The Bogey Train @bogeytrains]

Totally. This is (roughly) what Doak’s 15th would look like overlaid on the current course.

[Monday Q Neil @neil_monday]

Thanks for sharing this. Really cool look at Erin Hills’ original proposed routing.

I like imagining Doak’s 15th green being beneath today’s 6th green.

[The Bogey Train @bogeytrains]

@BPBlackMetal @ErinHillsGolf Good observation. The Dell was in the opposite direction of the other 3 par-threes, so don’t think they ever had all four in the same direction.

The extra property Hurdzan and Fry were able to use by today’s 15/16 might have given Doak other opportunities as well…