𝕒𝕟𝕥𝕚-𝕙𝕦𝕞𝕒𝕟

"𝔅𝔶 𝔞𝔟𝔬𝔩𝔦𝔰𝔥𝔦𝔫𝔤 𝔱𝔥𝔢 𝔢𝔱𝔥𝔦𝔠 𝔬𝔣 𝔭𝔯𝔬𝔡𝔲𝔠𝔱𝔦𝔬𝔫 𝔶𝔬𝔲 𝔢𝔫𝔱𝔢𝔯 𝔯𝔢𝔳𝔬𝔩𝔲𝔱𝔦𝔬𝔫𝔞𝔯𝔶 𝔯𝔢𝔞𝔩𝔦𝔱𝔶 𝔡𝔦𝔯𝔢𝔠𝔱𝔩𝔶."

[𝕒𝕟𝕥𝕚-𝕙𝕦𝕞𝕒𝕟 @boguswaves1]

“It’s easy. You can do it yourself. Alone or with a few trusted comrades. Complicated means are not necessary. Not even great technical knowledge.”

- Bonanno

[𝕒𝕟𝕥𝕚-𝕙𝕦𝕞𝕒𝕟 @boguswaves1]

@marxiananark In Marx, though, it does connote necessity, as the progress takes place through stages which Marx says are necessary to create the basis for communism.

[𝕒𝕟𝕥𝕚-𝕙𝕦𝕞𝕒𝕟 @boguswaves1]

These losers will never drop their racist teleologies, will they? It's just christianity with a red coat of paint.

[Nick ☭ 🌱 @redf0undation]

Capitalism was historically progressive because it unified the global market and created the conditions for communism. That mission has been exhausted. Bourgeois society has no progressive future. Its abolition by the proletariat is the only historically progressive resolution.

[𝕒𝕟𝕥𝕚-𝕙𝕦𝕞𝕒𝕟 @boguswaves1]

@marxiananark Then what does it mean? Progress, which means moving towards an objective or goal, or (and this can overlap), a betterment over time.

[𝕒𝕟𝕥𝕚-𝕙𝕦𝕞𝕒𝕟 @boguswaves1]

@communalman @yrysbryd No, it doesn't. Progress has an end, and usually implies a betterment.

[𝕒𝕟𝕥𝕚-𝕙𝕦𝕞𝕒𝕟 @boguswaves1]

@latelyleyli @wunsch_maschine @redf0undation That's religious lol

[𝕒𝕟𝕥𝕚-𝕙𝕦𝕞𝕒𝕟 @boguswaves1]

@redf0undation I've already given one: you have a teleological view that is essentially Christian. You believe there is a path that history is taking that we can discern, one that will lead towards your desired end. It's literally just a fairy tale you believe that you've universalized

[𝕒𝕟𝕥𝕚-𝕙𝕦𝕞𝕒𝕟 @boguswaves1]

Your reframing of your argument, at least wrt to anarchists, is also wrong.

[🏴☭🌻🏳️‍🌈hijo negro del pueblo 🏴☭🌻🏳️‍🌈 @EcoTechBro]

No it isn't. God, people really love to strawman my arguments it's so insane lol

The point here is that the anarchist and Marxist movements were born in the first international essentially on questions like abstentionism.

[𝕒𝕟𝕥𝕚-𝕙𝕦𝕞𝕒𝕟 @boguswaves1]

@tienesraton YES!

[νεκρή @tienesraton]

it is unscientific and that’s good

[𝕒𝕟𝕥𝕚-𝕙𝕦𝕞𝕒𝕟 @boguswaves1]

This is really great man theory

[🏴☭🌻🏳️‍🌈hijo negro del pueblo 🏴☭🌻🏳️‍🌈 @EcoTechBro]

Marx and Bakunin were both participants in the international, and this is important since it explains why there are similarities between class struggle anarchism and revolutionary Marxism.

[the_hole_icon @iconpoetry]

Η χαριστικότητα είναι το ανάθεμα και το άγιο δισκοπότηρο της εμπορευματικής κοινωνίας ταυτόχρονα. Είναι κρυμμένη σε κοινή θέα στη δωρεά οργάνων, στην αιμοδοσία και η κοινή θέα της εθελοντικής εργασίας κρύβει μέσα της την εξαναγκασμένη χαριστικότητα της σκλαβιάς ταυτόχρονα.

[𝕒𝕟𝕥𝕚-𝕙𝕦𝕞𝕒𝕟 @boguswaves1]

@CrypticUrb5222 @tienesraton What's nebulous is your category "disorganized anarchism" and how it applies to historical events in which anarchists organized themselves even if they failed.

[𝕒𝕟𝕥𝕚-𝕙𝕦𝕞𝕒𝕟 @boguswaves1]

@Acinoniichine Ok, cool. Thank you. I'm not well read in aristotle, but I was reading agamben and he was doing a close read of aristotle that really aligned with how I (at least) understand Marx's value theory

[𝕒𝕟𝕥𝕚-𝕙𝕦𝕞𝕒𝕟 @boguswaves1]

Is Marx's theory of value Aristotelian?

[𝕒𝕟𝕥𝕚-𝕙𝕦𝕞𝕒𝕟 @boguswaves1]

@CrypticUrb5222 @tienesraton And these were all 'disorganized anarchists' that failed to do this? Can you show that's the case? Also, whats the definition of 'disorganized' here? Because, in my reading, there were many organized anarchists involved in both circumstances

[𝕒𝕟𝕥𝕚-𝕙𝕦𝕞𝕒𝕟 @boguswaves1]

@CrypticUrb5222 @tienesraton No. They quite explicitly cited their preferred thinker to establish a position of Correctness beyond any and all doubt. An authority to be pointed to to shut down debate. Ironically, @_toonworld used passages from the same author to disprove their own 'correctness'

[𝕒𝕟𝕥𝕚-𝕙𝕦𝕞𝕒𝕟 @boguswaves1]

@CrypticUrb5222 @tienesraton asked, When?

[𝕒𝕟𝕥𝕚-𝕙𝕦𝕞𝕒𝕟 @boguswaves1]

@CrypticUrb5222 @tienesraton Ok. You're confidence in its "necessity" has no bearing on its actual, 'objective' necessity lol. Again, your preferred method, disguised as the One and Only method.

Also, then what about the failures of your preferred method? How do they factor in. And finally, as @tienesraton

[𝕒𝕟𝕥𝕚-𝕙𝕦𝕞𝕒𝕟 @boguswaves1]

@CrypticUrb5222 @tienesraton Either way, feeling their class "threatened" is not the same as producing anything, esp. in comparison to the bolsheviks, which was your claim. The FAU is, by your own metrics, a failure on par with whatever bogeyman you're using as a foil

[𝕒𝕟𝕥𝕚-𝕙𝕦𝕞𝕒𝕟 @boguswaves1]

@CrypticUrb5222 @tienesraton Or have we forgotten the "Black Scare" of the early 20th C; or about the terror Italian anarchists put in the hearts of the Italian ruling class in the 70s, 90s, 2000s-2010s, who we would now label insurrectionists?