@JohnApplebyLD@MadsDavies Given that decline has been consistent in the last 100 years since WWI, the very idea of turning around such an oil tanker with some central grants (albeit in the millions of pounds) seems hubristic. Just as well pursue business as usual and wait on God's grace?
@MadsDavies Central grants are for game-changing investment which is all very internally justifiable, but when the grants outweigh the business as usual diocesan funding you introduce dissonance and a justified uneasiness at the overall balance of priorities.
@Layo_FH Yes, British 'politeness' doesn't cover it. 'Indirectness', the antonym of the word you used to describe him, might be better, or respect for others' autonomy. (I might humbly submit, if it doesn't inconvenience you.)
@MadsDavies What about inconsistency with arrangements for lay spiritual directors? I guess they're not so high risk due to reduced power imbalance but still …
@johnmilbank3 The same applies to capitalism. Everyone maximises self-interest and capitalism magically raises all boats. Any need for hand-wringing about the good is thereby cut out of political and economic discourse. Of course this is not native to the original conceptions …
@johnmilbank3 I think there's a widespread assumption that the trick of democratic politics is that we all get to be individually amoral and selfish and it all balances out in the end; that informed self interest is the only fuel we need to shovel into the democratic political machine.
@Eric_Conn I always knew I wasn't a real man because I didn't want to engage with other boys in the playground who wanted to hit me to improve their place in the pecking order. Fortunately I found another way. 'Real' manhood can express our fallen nature as much as our redeemed.
@MadsDavies All this benefice talk colludes with the unstated assumption that the professional clergy are the gold standard of the church by which it stands or falls. If they're unaffordable the local church will just have to de-professionalise, like most other clubs and associations.
@DrFrancisYoung The culture has repackaged multiple aspects of bygone times as fads that some modern seekers have made part of their identity. But from crochet to pottery all are shorn of their essential vitality in keeping people warm, fed and alive by their transformation into chosen hobbies.
@Guy21Nerdy@thevicarswife@davidjn_@liturgicalben It also chimed with the possibility of a fasting Eucharist, and a re-emphasising of Sunday being the day of resurrection for which an early celebration was appropriate, even if not quite 'before it was light'.
@cath_cov@liturgicalben Civic space also gets with this mush due to a lack of genuine existential threat competitively weeding out construals of culture lacking real vigour or sustainability. AKA decadence.
@Layo_FH It's the bourgeois – bohemian synthesis, strong in certain urban parts but not making the weather as much as they think they ought to be in plenty of other parts.
@MadsDavies One fears for the diocese that this will freeze any progress or resolution for months and months on the grounds that the police investigation must be concluded first.
@samikshassotd@plonkeydonkey@Telegraph The problem seems to be confined to self-consciously elite institutions. If you want to dodge the nonsense study at a 'red brick' / former polytechnic where people are just getting on with learning.
@MadsDavies Yes. Those young men I've met who might fall into the Quiet Revival type have come to church in conscious rejection of their generational culture. If that's right, then attempting to roll out what appeals to them will have an appeal limited in breadth, but not depth.