Talal Al-Otaibi

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[Talal Al-Otaibi @c7deo]

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[Talal Al-Otaibi @c7deo]

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[Talal Al-Otaibi @c7deo]

Regarding Paradise, the ultimate joy in Islam is actually the spiritual honor of beholding the Countenance of God—a reward far above any physical delight. However, you mentioned 'eating a feast WITH God.' This is a confusing concept: Does the Creator of the universe have a stomach or a need for food? In the Quran (6:14), we believe that God 'feeds but is not fed.' He is far too Majestic to have human needs.

As for the 'historical records,' I choose to follow the Truth preserved in a Book that honors the absolute Oneness of God and commands mercy. I find it difficult to accept a 'record' that you admit has undergone 'comfortable developments' and contains passages (like 1 Samuel 15:3) that call for the killing of infants and women. God is Holy and Just.

[Talal Al-Otaibi @c7deo]

[2] As for your claim that the Quran doesn't mention 'corruption' (Tahreef), it shows you haven't read it. The Quran explicitly states: 'They distort words from their [proper] usages' (4:46) and 'Woe to those who write the Scripture with their own hands, then say, "This is from Allah"' (2:79).

[Talal Al-Otaibi @c7deo]

If you want historical proof, look at the Indian manuscript preserved in the India Office Library in London (Reference: MS Arabic 2807, pages 152-153). It records that a king named Chakrawati Farmas witnessed the splitting of the moon in the sky, inquired about it, and was told it was a miracle of a Prophet in Arabia. He eventually traveled to meet the Prophet and accepted his message.

You ask if anyone else saw it? It was a local miracle for the people of Mecca to witness, but it was also seen in other regions like India and parts of Persia. However, for most of the world, it happened at night while they were asleep, or the moon wasn't visible in their hemisphere at that specific hour. Just as your Bible records the sun 'standing still' for Joshua (Joshua 10:13)—an event not recorded by the Chinese or Mayans at that time—miracles are often witnessed by specific groups as a Sign.

[Talal Al-Otaibi @c7deo]

You are making a massive theological error. No Muslim has ever believed that Muhammad is a God. He is a mortal Messenger of God, a man who ate, walked in markets, and passed away. Our entire faith starts with: 'There is no God but Allah, and Muhammad is His Messenger.

The fact that you think we worship him shows that you don't understand the very basics of Islamic Monotheism (Tawhid). We worship only the Creator—the same One God who told Moses: 'Besides Me there is no God.

As for your 'many reasons' not to follow him, you are free to choose. But a search for Truth should be based on facts, not on misconceptions about what others believe. If you are looking for a God who is clear, eternal, and doesn't 'develop' or 'forget knowledge,' that is exactly what the Prophet Muhammad preached. Let's keep the discussion about God's nature, not false assumptions.

[Talal Al-Otaibi @c7deo]

your latest 'theory' is historically inaccurate. The Prophet Muhammad didn't go to Medina looking for a 'Saudi' welcome—Saudi Arabia didn't even exist then. He was invited by the people of Medina (The Ansar) who recognized his message of Pure Monotheism—the same message Moses and Jesus preached.

[Talal Al-Otaibi @c7deo]

You ask where the original Gospel is. We believe the message of Jesus was a Divine Revelation (Injeel), but what you have today are historical accounts written decades later by men. Your own scholars admit these texts suffered from 'scribal errors' and 'comfortable developments' over centuries. This is exactly why a preserved, final Revelation like the Quran was necessary—to clear the confusion created by human hands.
you ask where the original Gospel is. We believe the message of Jesus was a Divine Revelation (Injeel), but what you have today are historical accounts written decades later by men. Your own scholars admit these texts suffered from 'scribal errors' and 'comfortable developments' over centuries. This is exactly why a preserved, final Revelation like the Quran was necessary—to clear the confusion created by human hands.

[Talal Al-Otaibi @c7deo]

I appreciate the calm tone. Let’s look at this logically: You say the laws in Moses' time weren't 'realistic' and that Jesus hadn't manifested yet. But this creates a major problem: Is God’s nature (The Trinity) a temporary truth that depends on time, or is it an Eternal Truth.

If God is eternally a Trinity, then why did He command Moses and all the Prophets to preach absolute Monotheism (Tawhid)? In Deuteronomy 6:4, the command is: 'Hear, O Israel: The Lord our God, the Lord is one.' It doesn't say 'One in three' or 'Wait for the manifestation.
To say that the 'price wasn't paid yet' implies that God’s mercy is limited by a physical sacrifice. But we believe God is All-Merciful and All-Powerful; He doesn't need to change His nature or sacrifice a body to forgive His creation. Jesus, as the Quran says (4:171), was a Spirit and a Word from God—a noble Messenger who came to confirm the same message as Moses: Worship God alone. If the message changes over time, then it is a human development, not a Divine Revelation. Let’s stick to the Eternal Truth that never changes.

[Talal Al-Otaibi @c7deo]

Wow!

it’s ironic that you criticize the physical rewards of Paradise when your own Bible is full of them. Didn't Jesus say in Luke 22:30: ‘That you may EAT and DRINK at my table in my kingdom’? Or in Matthew 8:11: ‘Many will come from east and west and RECLINE at table with Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob in the kingdom of heaven’?

If eating, drinking, and reclining at a table isn't 'physical,' then what is? Even in Revelation 22:2, it talks about the 'Tree of Life' yielding FRUIT every month. Are you going to tell me that fruit is only for decoration?

The truth is, God created us with souls and bodies, and He rewards both. Attacking our Paradise to cover up the logical collapse of your Trinity is a weak move. We believe in a Creator who is One and Clear, while you believe in a 'historical record' that you admit is based on 'comfortable developments.' Stick to the topic, Stephen: If God is One, why do you follow a Creed made by a committee?

[Talal Al-Otaibi @c7deo]

I actually agree with you on one point: I do believe in the original Torah revealed to Moses and the original Gospel revealed to Jesus. The Quran commands us to believe in the true word of God given to them. However, what you have today is a 'historical record' full of what your own scholars call 'careless copyist errors' and 'comfortable developments.

Let’s go to the absolute foundation. In Isaiah 45:5, your God says: ‘I am the Lord, and there is no other; besides Me there is no God.’ He didn't say 'besides Us' or 'besides the Trinity.' This is a singular, absolute declaration of Monotheism.

Answer this: If God says there is NO other God besides Him, then who is Jesus? If you say Jesus is also God, you have just contradicted Isaiah and created two Gods. If you say they are 'one,' then why does the 'Father' know the Hour while the 'Son' does not? (Matthew 24:36). A single God cannot keep secrets from Himself.

You attack a man in a cave who brought the message of One God (Tawhid) which matches exactly what Isaiah said. Meanwhile, you follow a doctrine decided by a political Council 300 years later. If your scribes can’t even get the name of Goliath's killer right, why should we trust them with the nature of God? The Truth is simple: God is One, and Jesus was His Messenger.

[Talal Al-Otaibi @c7deo]

If his 'spirit' continued and that spirit is God, then that spirit must be All-Knowing. So, for the third time: Why did Jesus say he doesn't know the Hour? (Matthew 24:36). If his Spirit is God, how can God be ignorant of his own Day of Judgment?

Also, if only his 'physical body' died, then you just admitted that God Himself didn't die or suffer. If God didn't die, then there was no 'Divine Sacrifice' for sins—only a human body died. This means your entire doctrine of Atonement is based on a human death, not a divine one. You can't claim Jesus is 100% God and 100% Man, then separate them whenever it gets uncomfortable.

[Talal Al-Otaibi @c7deo]

Stephen, you are reaching for straws. Using the plural 'Us' in Genesis as a proof for the Trinity is a basic linguistic error. Any Hebrew scholar will tell you it’s the 'Plural of Majesty' (Royal We), used to show Greatness, not a count of persons. If 'Us' meant three, then why did God say in the very next verse (Genesis 1:27): 'So God created man in HIS own image'? He switched back to the singular 'HIS.' Did the other two persons of the Trinity disappear in one second?

[Talal Al-Otaibi @c7deo]

So you're saying God is divisible? That one 'part' of Him can die while the other stays alive? This isn't Monotheism; it’s a Greek tragedy. If Jesus was just a 'physical body' that died, then God didn't die for your sins—a human body did. And if a human died, your entire 'atonement' theory collapses.

Also, you conveniently ignored the most important question: Why did Jesus say he doesn't know the 'Hour' (Matthew 24:36)? Was his 'spirit' also ignorant of the date? If his spirit is God, and God knows everything, then your explanation makes no sense.

Stop trying to explain the 'impossible' with philosophical gymnastics. Either Jesus is God and knows everything and cannot die, or he is a Prophet who is limited by human nature. You can't have it both ways just to win an argument. The Truth is simple: 'Hear, O Israel: The Lord our God, the Lord is one.' (Mark 12:29). One Person, One Will, One Knowledge.

[Talal Al-Otaibi @c7deo]

[2] If you want to talk about the nature of God, let’s look at your own Bible. In Isaiah 45:5, it says: ‘I am the Lord, and there is no other; besides Me there is no God.’ And in Isaiah 44:6: ‘I am the first and I am the last; besides Me there is no God.’ Where is the Trinity in these absolute declarations?

Even Jesus himself said in Mark 12:29: ‘The most important [commandment] is this: Hear, O Israel: The Lord our God, the Lord is one.’ He didn't say 'The Lord is three' or 'I am the Lord.

Now, answer these 'logical' questions if you can:

(1) If Jesus is God, and God cannot die, who was running the universe for the three days Jesus was dead in the grave?

(2) In Matthew 24:36, Jesus says he doesn't know the 'Hour' of the Final Judgment, only the Father knows. If Jesus and the Father are 'One' in knowledge, how can one know what the other doesn't?

(3) If the Trinity is the only way to salvation, why didn't God clearly explain it to Moses, Abraham, and Noah? Why wait 300 years after Jesus for a Council of men to finalize it?

Your own book screams 'Tawhid' (Monotheism), but your traditions chose 'Shirk.' Stop following a doctrine of confusion and return to the simple Truth of the Prophets. 🤍🤝🏻

[Talal Al-Otaibi @c7deo]

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[Talal Al-Otaibi @c7deo]

[2] You speak of preservation, yet the very images I’m sharing show your own scholars admitting to the corruption of your text. Look at the contradiction regarding who killed Goliath: was it David (1 Sam 17) or Elhanan (2 Sam 21:19)? Your own commentaries admit this is a 'true contradiction introduced by a careless copyist.' If your 'God’s word' can be altered by a 'careless copyist,' then where is the divine protection?

This is the fundamental difference: The Quran was memorized by thousands, making a 'copyist error' impossible to survive because the community’s collective memory would immediately correct it. Your Bible, however, was hidden in monasteries for centuries, handled by a few scribes who added, deleted, and 'harmonized' verses as they saw fit. This is why you have thousands of versions today while we have one Quran.

Uthman (RA) didn't burn 'different' Qurans; he burned transcriptions with personal notes and non-standardized dialects to protect the purity of the revelation from the very 'copyist corruption' your Bible suffered from. He saved the Quran from the fate of your Bible. You are following a book edited by committees and corrupted by scribes. We follow a Revelation preserved by the Almighty and protected in the hearts of millions. Face the reality of your own manuscripts before you attack the miracle of ours.

[Talal Al-Otaibi @c7deo]

Nice try, Thomas. By admitting the Council was about the 'Arian Controversy,' you just confirmed that your core doctrine—the Divinity of Christ—was a subject of massive debate and disagreement among your own bishops for centuries. It took a political gathering to decide who was a 'heretic' and who was 'orthodox.

As for the Bible, even if you claim Nicaea didn't 'vote' on books, history shows that the 'Canon' (the list of accepted books) was a fluid, human process of selection and exclusion that lasted for centuries. Why were books like the 'Gospel of Thomas' or 'Gospel of Mary' rejected? Humans chose what stays and what goes. Meanwhile, the Quran was one, memorized, and complete from the lifetime of the Prophet. We don't need a Council to tell us what God said; we have the preserved Word that never changed.

[Talal Al-Otaibi @c7deo]

[3] If your scribes were 'careless' enough to corrupt simple historical names like Goliath and Elhanan, why should we trust them with the very nature of God? The word 'Trinity' is not mentioned once in the entire Bible, and Jesus never claimed to be part of a 'Triune God.

History proves that the Trinity was a human invention, finalized at the Council of Nicaea (325 AD) and the Council of Constantinople (381 AD) through voting and political pressure. For three centuries after Jesus, Christians were in a massive conflict over his nature, until a Roman Emperor (Constantine)—who wasn't even a Christian at the time—forced a decision to unify his empire.

You follow a creed decided by a committee 300 years too late. We follow the absolute Monotheism (Tawhid) that matches the teachings of all Prophets, from Abraham to Muhammad. Your faith is a product of 'harmonization' by men; our faith is the Revelation of the Creator.