@Leadmetoislam1@InspiringPhilos Somehow I completely missed your reply lol, was going back through for another brother.
It is very simple.
Who made someone resemble Jesus for crucifixion? At what point was this change performed?
Cheaper gas?
National average for regular is $4.09/gal ($3.15 a year ago)
Diesel is $5.63 ($3.69 a year ago)
National average for beef was $6.25 a year ago and now its $6.88
"Drugs" is too generic so I ain't doing that research.
There is no need to lie, there is a need to stop starting/fighting wars for Israel.
@ar6azz@proudkafirG In islam you are directed to hold yourself above allah?
Odd, in Christianity you are to hold God above all else--this is why many Christians have refused to give up their faith and have been killed by muslims.
@SHPDCMPABABD@modban What previous scriptures does the quran confirm?
Keep in mind we have New and Old testament manuscripts from 300+ years before Muhammeds time, so corruption will not make sense if it is being affirmed without allah adding "original" or mentioning it.
@Leadmetoislam1@InspiringPhilos >allah is not a liar
>allah lies about Jesus being crucified, making it only "appear to happen" (deception)
>muslims can't lie, we're told not to!
>muslims can lie if facing persecution
Brother is literally two-faced in one post. Incredible.
@BalzsTimr5@TheHistoryGuy07 I was wondering lol
Got a few things coming up here but I'll reply to ya once I'm back on my (have a lot to type)
It'll be a min, but I think it'll be a good convo
The issue with the substitution theory is that it ignores the fact that Jesus was horrifically beaten well before being crucified, and Simon actually helped carry the cross for Jesus.
That's some real dedication to deception, which is why allah is the devil--the father of lies.
Another fact is God doesn't want us to deny Him, even in the face of danger.
Taqiyyah goes against that, again showing that allah is the father of lies.
You may say I worship a man, but you worship the devil.
That'll be the difference between us
I have a solid authority that is never changing that dictates all human life has intrinsic value, that is why killing the disabled is immoral--we have no authority to take the life of one who has done no wrong
Your view just runs off feels and opinions of the ever-changing human mind
Am I incorrect?
The problem is that the claim is Jesus is just a prophet, yet the two accounts you cited claimed he was divine.
Not very surprising, as Muhammed also took from the gospel of Thomas for baby Jesus talking and Jesus turning clay to birds
So it doesn't shock me that the quran would often use information from the apocryphal gospels
Fortunately the Bible does address surah 4:157 in John 8:44
@BalzsTimr5@TheHistoryGuy07 Can you honestly and truly say that someone is "evil" or "bad" then? It sounds like opinions
Would others just have a different opinion on the value of human life than you? From their perspective, people being happy and fulfilled is evil. Can you objectively say they're wrong?
Apologies for the novel, do let me know if any parts are confusing (I'm typing from my memory here)
To start, I would say that we can never be 100% certain of origins on earth, we can make guesses, theories, and have discussions on those. I enjoy the discussions, they're fun. Second, feel free to send me a message request if you don't want to break up your responses--but up to you entirely.
Getting into it,
waters above the highest mountain:
If we consider the mountains of today, then yes. That would be quite the feat, where did all that water go?
If you consider that God made the earth to be ruled by man, then majority water and high mountainous terrain does not bode well for that. The environment would've been much different than today, as today is a result of the flood.
Essentially, the mountains of the creation would not be as tall as what we have today.
The 40 (There is some cool numerology stuff behind this number too) days and nights of rain were not the only source of water on the earth, as Genesis 7:11 tells us the fountains of the deep broke, which would result in hot water from inside the earth. This is how we get fish fossils, such as whales that seemingly pass multiple "layers" of earth.
That is the source of the water.
So where did all the water go that was above the tallest mountain? Psalm 104:8 mentions how the mountains rose up, the valleys sank down.
This would provide the area for the water to go (ocean) and the mountains rising would result in higher mountains than what was original in the creation--which might've very well been easy-to-navigate rolling hills for all we know.
Anywho, enough about the geology of it (for now).
Onto answering the two "objections" I guess you had, maybe they were examples?
Geologic column was literally made up in the 1800s as a hypothesis of evolution, where the "simple" organisms are at the bottom layers of earth and the "advanced" organisms are near the top.
Mentioned previously, there has been marine life found through multiple "layers" of earth, and petrified trees/logs have been found through multiple "layers" of earth.
We can get into issues with radiometric/radio-isotope dating too, but I think I've written a nice novel already
Fish! Saltwater and freshwater fish exist today but why? Many fish today have the ability to survive in salt and freshwater, like the mighty salmon. Water inside the earth is "fresh" and lacking salt content. It is entirely possible that there was trace amounts of saline in the seas before the flood, but collected more saline as the waters ran off the mountains as they rose. How do fish survive this? The oceans salinity is not consistent today. It would not be far-fetched to think that surviving fish would be able to survive in salt and fresh water due to lower saline levels in the seas that were there before, and they would be able to slowly adapt and live as the ocean's salinity increases overtime.
Might be wondering "Isn't the ability to adapt and live in water with increasing salt levels proof for evolution?"
Not in the way you'd hope, as creatures were created with the ability to change as they aren't static beings. But with a limit, the fish has no genetic ability to get wings so they can fly to the sky out of the ocean.
The fish have the existing genetics to survive fresh and salt water, and this gene can shift to meet salinity levels of the environment.