@verum_sincere@jd186696@zoloftpurgatory You are not totally unconscious when you’re asleep, that is notably different from having no consciousness, like a table. We absolutely do not form consciousness at 2-3 years old.
@verum_sincere@jd186696@zoloftpurgatory It’s the same exact argument of every other pro life person. I believe human life of value doesn’t begin at conception, but at the formation of a conscience experience. A human being with just a brain stem isn’t a human being like you and me, similarly, a 8 week fetus isnt either
@verum_sincere@jd186696@zoloftpurgatory A claim solely based off a religious belief is illogical. You have to back up your religious view with reasoning. The bible for instance doesn’t even have a stance on abortion. Exodus 21:22-25 actually seems to imply the opposite.
@cladery1@jd186696@zoloftpurgatory They’re both conscious, and I don’t think you can say one is more conscious than the other. And meaningless abuse and killing of a pig is also wrong. That’s like saying nikola Tesla is more conscious than me just because he’s smarter.
@cladery1@jd186696@zoloftpurgatory Ok bud, you’re an idiot. Don’t talk to me about intellectual dishonesty. You don’t have a frame thought you just spout out feelings and claim that to be an argument.
@cladery1@jd186696@zoloftpurgatory I’m not saying a fetus is a bug, I’m saying for the same reason you don’t value a bug as a being (consciousness) it’s ok to abort a fetus before consciousness. Anything else is arbitrary and you’re using arbitrary reasoning to eliminate a woman’s bodily autonomy.
@cladery1@jd186696@zoloftpurgatory No what I said is ripping a baby apart is murder. A 20 week and below fetus isn’t a baby, it doesn’t have a conscious experience it isn’t valued the same as a human being. Now aborting a 20+ week fetus, I take issue with and thing should be illegal.