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You reject the pope. This IS similar to the Orthodox schism. No denying that.
When I have spoken to sedevacantists and confront with our Blessed Mother's words considering "the pope(s)" I am told "we don't have to believe in private revelation". If you're saying that you do believe, then again, you have a problem as it's contradictory.
It's funny how the defense you use, "smoke and mirrors", is nothing more than a diversion.
You say that you believe in our Blessed Mother's apparitions of LaSalette, Fatima and Akita but can't explain the contradiction you hold in ignoring her words of "pope" or "popes" when it comes to sedevacantism. This is a confusing stance to have. Even curiouser is that there are sedes who say they don't have to believe in "private revelation" even though this is the worst position to hold.
Again, the errors of sedevacantism confronts you. Our Blessed Mother does not lie. Sedevacantists would call her a liar in the stance they take. Her Immaculate Heart will triumph. Just not through sedevacantism which is a modernist error.
@ChadTheBad Just to add, St Pope Pius X warned of the sewage of modernism being a mix of all the heresies.
Sedevacantism falls into this category in the three aforementioned errors.
Really? So when Our Blessed Mother says "pope" or "popes", you conveniently ignore those?
I don't. I understand the Church history with bad popes. There's only one way to correct this and she gave the mandated formula of consecration at Fatima. We are also commanded to "pray for the pope".
By sedevacantist reasoning, there has been no pope since (insert name here) and given that these popes cannot consecrate, neither can the bishops ordain new priests.
Sedevacatism also mirrors to a degree the error of the hierarchy in that they don't believe the pope has power over them as a "brother bishop".
Your reasoning is in error.
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Sedevacantism is one of the modernist conglomorations that St Pope Pius X warned about it being a representation of the Orthodox schism and rejects the approved apparitions of Our Blessed Mother at LaSalette, Fatima and Akita where she says "pope" or "popes" in each. The defense being is that they don't have to believe in "private revelation" in which the error is that each apparition was accompanied by a supernatural event with the Church declared "worthy of belief"? Further, against them are the private revelations of the Holy Rosary, Brown Scapular, Miraculous Medal and devotions to the Immaculate and Sacred Hearts. If they accept these out of obedience but reject the apparitions they reveal their hypocrisy and sew seeds of confusion. Who reigns in confusion? The adversary.
As you said, none of the other priestly societies consecrate their own bishops. They are fully submissive to the Vatican hierarchy. However, what does that hierarchy either approve of or ignore within its own authority such as gross and offensive liturgical abuse and sexual activity amongst the clergy which is an abomination in the eyes of God? Further, what of the disobedience to the mandated consecration given by Our Blessed Mother at Fatima with the promise of heaven's peace on earth and the worldwide consequences communicated for that disobedience foretold at Akita?
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Actually, they're very much like the Orthodox schism and many reject the apparitions of Our Blessed Mother, who used the words "pope" and "popes" in different places, based on them being "private revelations" that they don't have to believe. That defies what the Church ruled as being accompanied by "supernatural" events and the announcement of being "worthy of belief". The further problem for them would be the Holy Rosary, the Brown Scapular, Miraculous Medal and devotion to the Sacred Heart which are also "private revelation". So, one can see the hypocritical nature if they do accept the sacramental and devotions.
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@NovusOrdoWatch Just to be very clear, are you saying that Our Blessed Mother is unaware of the Church's teachings, it's magisterium or are you calling her a liar?
The funny thing with your interpretation is that you ignore what Our Blessed Mother has said concerning the "pope" or "popes" and other things such as "bishop against bishop".
Further as a sedevacantist, you're committing much the same as the Orthodox schism in denying a pope (insert name here since there are varying opinions in sedevacantism) exists. You actually even reflect the Apostasy foretold in that the popes have mostly considered themselves as a "brother bishop".
This Apostasy, as Pius X proclaimed as a "modernist" sewage of all the past errors, sedevacantism is a part of. It's a rewash of the Orthodox schism, a confusion which benefits the adversary.
@davidgmac9@EVR_Forge@LepantoInst Start their own religion? You do know that they adhere to ALL the traditions of the Church? They're not declaring their own diocese, not denying the teachings or megisterium of the Church or creating their own diocese.
One error that is blatant is the disobedience of the Vatican hierarchy do obey the mandated consecration communicated by Our Blessed Mother at Fatima with consequences she further communicated at Akita. Her request was read by John XXIII who instead sealed it back up and went ahead with Vatican II which sewed confusion.