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@kaicyr21@LordCodeEye@CollinRugg You're right, you've made your position clear. What you haven't done is made yourself clear on why you're drawing the distinction.
To you personally, why would it matter whether the Down's baby has been born if, in your opinion, the child will never meaninfully contribute?
@kaicyr21@LordCodeEye@CollinRugg Okay. So then I was right from the beginning. Your entire point seems to be that the value of any life is based on that life's ability to contribute.
Is there a difference in your mind, then, between aborting a Down's baby and euthanising a born Down's child?
@mochaberry14@TMZ No, it's not. Do you think it's better to be dead than disadvantaged?
How would you feel about an abortion based on a sickle cell anemia diagnosis?
@kaicyr21@LordCodeEye@CollinRugg Very few people with sickle cell disease earn enough money over their lives to be net contributors. How is this different to you?
Why are you singling out Down's Syndrome?
@kaicyr21@LordCodeEye@CollinRugg Buddy, you made the point that you are okay with abortion if the individuals being aborted are a drain on the government.
Are you aware that sickle cell anemia costs the US government more than $3 billion a year? Individual lifetime costs surpass $1.5 million through insurance.
@kaicyr21@LordCodeEye@CollinRugg People with Down's syndrome more often than not end up as productive members of society, holding down jobs and actually outliving those with sickle cell anemia by several years on average.
@kaicyr21@LordCodeEye@CollinRugg Uh huh. So then my framing is correct.
How do you feel about sickle cell anemia? Do you believe that a fetal diagnosis of sickle cell anemia is valid grounds for abortion.
@kaicyr21@LordCodeEye@CollinRugg You appear to be asserting that the value of a life is contingent on *fiscal* value to the people around you. If that's not what you're saying, please. Correct me.
@kaicyr21@LordCodeEye@CollinRugg You can twist my words if you like, but you're the one who said it's okay to euthanize "a lifelong drain on society." I asked you these questions because the implications of your statement are essentially the opposite of a pro-life stance.
@kaicyr21@LordCodeEye@CollinRugg If it sounds like I'm misrepresenting you, that's honestly not my intention. But I'm very deeply confused by your stance. I can't wrap my head around it.
If you'd answer my questions directly, this would be far easier.
@kaicyr21@LordCodeEye@CollinRugg But you're not okay with it for someone who's retarded. And yet you *are* okay with it for Down's. But also only if the the person with Down's hasn't been born yet.
Do I have your positions down right? Because this is what you've hinted at so far.