@real_artisan@VerminusM Before there was no border, therefore no state besides the mandate. Once you engage in war in a technical sense it becomes harder to defend the idea that it shouldn't be consequential.
@VerminusM You wouldn't believe how often I win arguments about Israel here just by saying, ok, if it was the same thing but instead of Israel it was Brazil, what would you say?
@real_artisan@VerminusM After they legally created the country people representing those non-jewish communities started a war against the newly created state. That is a relevant fact in this discussion.
@matheuszaiyt@mary_f_2017 Clearly not. But this dispute is about the right of return far more than it is about borders. To talk about them as crucial obfuscate the nature of the conflict.