as usual, people on here view nonbinaryness as "quirky womanhood" and make claims about it based on that. nonbinary people with facial hair, sideburns, hairy chests, broad shoulders, etc are often literally excluded by nb-oriented queer spaces???
Why's it controversial for a nonbinary person to love their boobs, why's the masculine consider "the standard body of androgyny"
(I know why tbh,I just wish more ppl would question themselves)
@kaoru_san22 i know multiple masculine enby people with facial hair and muscles who would love to be told that masculine nonbinary people are the "standard" because that does not match their experiences at all 😑 genuinely why is everyone lying about this??
@grassfay tbh i think this is because people are talking about fandom spaces and also simultaneously turning analyses of minor phenomena in fandom spaces to major analyses of real world phenomena. and also pretending they don't have the internalized belief "nonbinary = quirky womanhood"
why are we making up lies? not denying that a chunk of homophobia is misogyny but for fucks sake if we solved all of societal misogyny that does not even necessarily mean we would solve all of societal homophobia
yes because the belief gay sex is inherently dirty, that gay men are ridden with std's, that we are an affront to religion, and that we are western impositions on nonwestern cultures are all misogyny. guys some things cannot be neatly reduced to one analysis for fucks sake
once again pointing out that masculine traits are things like FACIAL HAIR, not flat chests. nonbinary people in real life with facial hair get misgendered as often if not more often than nonbinary people with breasts. pointing out that most people still view NB as "woman-lite"
this is true but they're arguing so badly with the people in the replies LMFAO obviously a "gold star gay man" is also misogyny given he's defining himself based on whether he's touched a woman 😭😭 and also yes men can face misogyny?? misandry is not the male version of misogyny
@hopsiestbunny misandry is not a systemic social phenomenon but moreso an individual tendency of some women to hate men usually based on their experience being harmed by men. i do think misandry often acts as a cover for homophobia, racism, or even misogyny, so i don't view it positively either
@lesbianvaultz as a gay man i have said 100 times how hot female celebrities are while having zero sexual or romantic interest in them, i will never accept this "lesbians who make jokes about how hot men are are fake lesbians" bullshit
@SHURICOILFIGHT hmm i feel like i've almost never actually seen genderless characters with "masculine" traits so i don't actually have a comparison here