TheO_bvious📓

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The Bible isn't complicated to understand.
Read it daily, become Christian.
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[TheO_bvious📓 @Christobvious]

DBH at 12min
"At the time of the Arian controversy, Arianism or in its more moderate form semi-arianism... had a more a more substantially established claim to orthodoxy than what became the Nicean settlement"

Yes!
https://t.co/cbNnVr9MqX

[TheO_bvious📓 @Christobvious]

@diego_claramunt @Dom1968Juan You can use any Bible version, that won't help you. You are on a loop on these cherry picked verse and ignoring the whole narrative again.

You are wasting people time

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@diego_claramunt @Defender1914 @Toneskeee "You already refuted the idea that being firstborn refers to the creation narrative"

Nope. Being firstborn of creation means being part of it. And given that he is also instrumental, you are making no points

[TheO_bvious📓 @Christobvious]

@diego_claramunt @Dom1968Juan Depends on the context. And given the Biblical creation narrative, we know that many "gods" watched God creating the universe. Job 38:7 (Rev 22:16 as a bonus link)

[TheO_bvious📓 @Christobvious]

@diego_claramunt @Defender1914 @Toneskeee You can't ignore the data

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@diego_claramunt @Dom1968Juan Imagine a master builder (the Father) who has all the materials and the design. He uses his son (the agent) to actually put the house together. The master builder can say, "I built this house all alone," (no other architect helped or gave him the plans)

[TheO_bvious📓 @Christobvious]

@diego_claramunt @Dom1968Juan The fundamental flaw in this syllogism is a failure to understand the biblical distinction between the ultimate source of creation and the mediator or agent of that creation.
P1 is against idols. This does not preclude the existence of his Firstborn Son as the "master worker".

[TheO_bvious📓 @Christobvious]

@diego_claramunt @Dom1968Juan And it excludes the mean through whom it's done.
Jesus is created.

Trinitarianism is wrong.

[TheO_bvious📓 @Christobvious]

@diego_claramunt @Defender1914 @Toneskeee But all the firstborn are part of the group... and he can't be firstborn just for being incarnated because this is related to the Creation narrative... way before his incarnation

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@diego_claramunt @Defender1914 @Toneskeee Still no link with John style

[TheO_bvious📓 @Christobvious]

@diego_claramunt @Dom1968Juan "all" isn't absolute, it generally exclude the actor and the modifier.
Eva is the mother of all living... heh.

[TheO_bvious📓 @Christobvious]

@diego_claramunt @Defender1914 @Toneskeee You don't understand the point from the beginning. You can't be firstborn of a group without being part of the group.

David is firstborn of kings, he was a king.
Jesus is firstborn of the dead, he was dead.
Jesus is firstborn of creation, ...

Eternal begetting is nonsense

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@diego_claramunt @Defender1914 @Toneskeee You are the one who has to prove John change his style on this very verse.

[TheO_bvious📓 @Christobvious]

@garyandglendah1 @Toneskeee Arian, not Aryan. 😅
Also, "ἡμεῖς οὔτε ἀκόλουθοι Ἀρείου γεγόναμεν (πῶς γὰρ ἐπίσκοποι ὄντες ἀκολουθήσομεν πρεσβυτέρῳ)" &
"Arium nec vidi, nec scio qui sit
" & "qui fuerit Arius ignoro, quid dixerit nescio"

[TheO_bvious📓 @Christobvious]

@diego_claramunt @Dom1968Juan Nope. "Alone" doesn't preclude agency. God alone lead the people out of Egypt, Moses lead the people out of Egypt.

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@diego_claramunt @Defender1914 @Toneskeee being firstborn of all creature is directly linked with his instrumental role in creation, not his incarnation.

Protoktistos would be redundant with ktiseos. Also, it would lack the repetition for "from the dead".

Finally, in the Bible, begetting and creating are synonymous.

[TheO_bvious📓 @Christobvious]

@diego_claramunt @Defender1914 @Toneskeee It's not begging, it's consistency. Different people use words differently.

[Divinely Designed @DivinelyDesined]

The human brain contains ~86 billion neurons that generate electrical signals that travel through over 100 trillion synaptic connections.

How can anyone see something like this and think it all happened by accident?

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@garyandglendah1 @Toneskeee He can't be "leader" when the bishops where saying "we don't know Arius" and "Bishops don't listen to presbyters"

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@kenrank24 The Bible is the standard.

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1 John 2:22 is why Trinity is antichrist 😅

[WWUTT? @WWUTTcom]

Trinitarian Christianity is the only true Christianity.

Any faith or belief denying the Trinity is not of God (1 John 2:22). Don't be ashamed to say so.

"In the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit" (Matthew 28:19).

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@diego_claramunt @Defender1914 @Toneskeee No, arche never means ruler in John. It's beginning.

The firstborn of a group IS PART of the group.

Jesus is the first creature of God.